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Ex-Birmingham City and Derby County star hopes Rooney rule helps 'missed generation'

Birmingham Mail
11:00, Thursday 11 January 2018
Former defender reacts to the introduction of Rooney rule

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ZolaTheGola replying to Birmingham Mail
11:24, Thursday 11 January 2018
As long as they're not gay though, right Michael?
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Rasputin replying to Birmingham Mail
12:14, Thursday 11 January 2018
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“It is better for everyone involved, it is not just about black and minority ethnic candidates, it’s about the best person for the role".

If it's about the best person, why make it specifically about the persons ethnicity?
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bobbytheg replying to Rasputin
12:20, Thursday 11 January 2018
Yes. Time a transgender got a top manager's job.
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Greedy Greedy Darren Dein replying to bobbytheg
13:10, Thursday 11 January 2018
There already is one :?

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Le Mod replying to bobbytheg
13:11, Thursday 11 January 2018
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Greedy Greedy Darren Dein replying to Le Mod
13:14, Thursday 11 January 2018
fecking hell :D
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bobbytheg replying to Greedy Greedy Darren Dein
13:15, Thursday 11 January 2018
Fat cow.
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fairkop replying to bobbytheg
13:39, Thursday 11 January 2018
I would
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Oldham replying to ZolaTheGola
13:43, Thursday 11 January 2018
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As long as they're not gay though, right Michael?

yeah exactly, as long as only a minority that affects him is dealt with and not one he disagrees with.
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blues replying to Birmingham Mail
13:44, Thursday 11 January 2018
Cannot stand the bloke
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bobbytheg replying to fairkop
14:59, Thursday 11 January 2018
Does have a certain sexiness I must,grudgingly, admit.
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The Bat replying to bobbytheg
15:15, Thursday 11 January 2018
It’s an actual fantastic rule just so long as it ain’t tokenism and the person of colour has the right qualifications. Might apply meself.
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Dr Tam, Genius Zillionaire and Fantasist replying to Le Mod
15:20, Thursday 11 January 2018
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willy's bell replying to Rasputin
15:41, Thursday 11 January 2018
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If it's about the best person, why make it specifically about the persons ethnicity?


Well done for completely missing the point.

Significantly more than a third of all pro-players are non-white but significantly less than 10% of their managers are non-white.

You either ascribe to the view that they are all, generically, no good at management (in which case what else do you ascribe to???) or you accept that the disproportionate representation needs addressing & do something about it.

This isn't saying give them every job, this is saying give them a greater opportunity - i.e. ensure at least one makes it to shortlist/interview.

It's not dissimilar to who applicants with disabilities are treated in other employment situations & I can't see any good reason to argue against it
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Petebaldwin replying to willy's bell
15:46, Thursday 11 January 2018
How many BAME people do their coaching badges? Is there a load of them sat around qualified up to the eyeballs unable to get a job?
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willy's bell replying to Petebaldwin
16:14, Thursday 11 January 2018
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How many BAME people do their coaching badges? Is there a load of them sat around qualified up to the eyeballs unable to get a job?


I don't know the answer to that but if the answer is 'none' can you say none were put off doing their badges because of perceived lack of opportunities down the line?
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The Bat replying to willy's bell
16:15, Thursday 11 January 2018
Or they just couldn’t be bothered we’ll never know Will muck
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willy's bell replying to The Bat
16:48, Thursday 11 January 2018
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Or they just couldn’t be bothered we’ll never know Will muck

Exactly & that's kind of the point - we don't know so why not try something that might help?

Surely of all the non-white ex-players out there there's some who haven't had the opportunity who could do a whole lot better than someone like Lee Clark? And yet people like him get job after job
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My Blue Heaven replying to Birmingham Mail
16:50, Thursday 11 January 2018
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Rodney replying to willy's bell
20:08, Thursday 11 January 2018
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If it's about the best person, why make it specifically about the persons ethnicity?


Well done for completely missing the point.

Significantly more than a third of all pro-players are non-white but significantly less than 10% of their managers are non-white.

You either ascribe to the view that they are all, generically, no good at management (in which case what else do you ascribe to???) or you accept that the disproportionate representation needs addressing & do something about it.

Never understood this argument. Why exactly do superficial physical features need equal representation?

Do we need to have the number of left footed managers equal to the number of left footed players?

If there is a disproportionate representation of left footed managers are the ONLY two explanations that they are generically no good at management or they are being discriminated against?

These are just completely stupid arguments. There doesn’t need to be a great conspiracy theory over why there aren’t that many black managers, it’s just how it has transpired.

And if you think they are being discriminated against, such a serious accusation needs sufficient evidence, not simply “well it’s disproportionate to the amount of black footballers so there’s got to be something going on”. This is an accusation that is completely void of validity and substance.
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Dbbcfc replying to Rodney
20:19, Thursday 11 January 2018
Nobody discriminates against left footed managers though do they? We know institutionalised racism exists, so making sure other ethnicities are at least interviewed for roles is a great move.

Why do people get irritated by other ethnicities being given equal opportunities? Nobody's saying clubs HAVE to hire him, it's only an interview
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Hank Marrrrvin replying to Dr Tam, Genius Zillionaire and Fantasist
22:23, Thursday 11 January 2018
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Bluenose_68 replying to Hank Marrrrvin
02:58, Friday 12 January 2018
I understand the controversy of the Rooney rule, however I’m all for it.

It’s not the ideal solution however given the clear imbalance in diversity in these roles it’s a start.

Let’s remember all it is about is giving people the opportunity to be interviewed. It’s not saying they have to be given the job as a right, just allowed a chance at interview. If they impress at interview and are the best candidate then they get the role, great. If they don’t, they don’t get the role. V simple.


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