15:38, Wed 16 May
Following on from the Ray Wilson thread. Greaves was the most gifted finisher I have ever seen. Injured during 66 World Cup. This may seem odd and please rip me apart if you wish. Do you think the utter dejection he must have felt after being 1st choice striker but missing out, in anyway may have contributed to his alcohol abuse? Just a thought. Not a statement.
15:40, Wed 16 May
Bloody hell mate. Thought this was going to be bad news
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15:41, Wed 16 May
He was already on the pop regularly by then wasn't he? Although I can imagine it didn't help much...

I read his autobiography a long while back - I think he was devastated about 66 but from memory it was the downtime and injuries that really contributed to the alcohol abuse.
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15:43, Wed 16 May
Sorry Rab. Get yr point.
15:43, Wed 16 May
There was a thought that Ramsey was a bit suspicious of him - not the type of dedicated and willing workhorse (e,g, Hunt)that Ramsey warmed to. He achieved plenty but he should hold the record for England goals and be in a first 11 of greatest English players, on talent.
15:45, Wed 16 May
Thx. I will see if I can get a copy somewhere. Bet it's a good read.
had to check if he'd passed away years ago

he's still alive
15:47, Wed 16 May
There are loads on amazon for less than £3. I think I read the one called "This One's On Me" but I can't remember.
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15:49, Wed 16 May
Ta.
15:57, Wed 16 May
I read Greavsie's book years ago.

It was very good, very honest, very moving.

As Number8 says, Greaves was a massive drinker anyway - and he wasn't alone in that.

I definitely think the World Cup thing played a big part in destroying his hunger for playing. I think that while he was still driven by the football, it was fine. The drinking didn't matter so much. But eventually the drinking became more important and that screwed him.

He was only 26 in 66, but he has said many times that he felt like missing the World Cup final stages cheated him out of what should have been the pinnacle of his career.

His achievements are / were incredible. Mind-blowing. I can remember when I was a kid looking at a book giving stats for England's leading goal scorers, when I saw 44 in 57 I honestly thought it must be a misprint. Then you add in his club records. He was the best of the best.
16:00, Wed 16 May
number8
There are loads on amazon for less than £3. I think I read the one called "This One's On Me" but I can't remember.

There were two around the same time. I think they were called This One's On Me and One For The Road.

One was about his playing career and the other about TV and life after playing.
16:03, Wed 16 May
You're right, I remember from Greaves' book the fact that Bobby Moore drank almost as much when he was playing, as well as others at the London clubs (players appeared to hang out with each other all the time, across team lines). Different world.
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16:05, Wed 16 May
I'm reading a book about Socrates at the moment - no, not the philosopher - and he liked the bevvy (and the cigs, and the birds) so much his teams allowed him not to train and turn up when he felt like it because he was so good. And that was late 70's/early 80's. You'd never get that now.
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16:06, Wed 16 May
The great Peter Cook, a lifelong Spurs fan, was a close friend of Jimmy Greaves. He once described Geeavesie as "the fastest man I've ever seen over ten yards - to the bar".
16:07, Wed 16 May
Always liked the way he stuck up for Blues against Newbon.
16:14, Wed 16 May
The drinking across club lines thing was definitely right.

During the sixties the same thing went on in Manchester, one of George Best's biggest buddies and drinking partners was Mike Summerbee.

You wouldn't get away with any of it now.
16:18, Wed 16 May
Saw Cruyff used to smoke 60 a day when he was a player, about the same as David Bowie
18:22, Wed 16 May
What's the story behind this?
18:51, Wed 16 May
My old man is a good judge of a player and is old enough to have seen all the greats and he said obviously there have been better all round players, but jimmy greaves was the best finisher he’s ever seen.
20:20, Wed 16 May
Durham Blues
Always liked the way he stuck up for Blues against Newbon.

Yes....Greavsie has always been credited as the man who gave Villa benefactor and owner for many years Doug Ellis the nickname " Deadly Doug "

Because Ellis constantly sacked managers .....bit like modern times ....HA HA
20:22, Wed 16 May
Durham Blues
Saw Cruyff used to smoke 60 a day when he was a player, about the same as David Bowie

Aren't/weren't Paul Gascoigne and Wayne Rooney fairly heavy smokers ???

I recall Blues legendary centre forward at the end of the 60's Freed Pickering was a 20-30 cigarettes a day man
20:26, Wed 16 May
oakley
What's the story behind this?

Both brown bread before their time.
Thanks for keeping us up, Harry.
21:39, Wed 16 May
I saw Greavsie guest speaking a couple of years ago, he mentioned that he liked a few scoops, he then said that him and George Best were writing a joint autobiography so if anyone knew what they did between 1970-1975 could they get in touch!
22:19, Wed 16 May
Socrates and Cruyff both died too young. Both were socialists, all the best people are.
00:10, Thu 17 May
In '61 the great double team came to Stans and I wanted to paint this picture for you!

Danny Blanchflower wins the ball in midfield who passes to a certain John White, who spots Cliff Jones going like a bat out of hell down the left and the pass found him. He looks up and crosses into the middle to where Greavsie and Bobby Smith were waiting and took what seemed an age deciding who was going to bang it past a helpless John Schofield.

I'm glad I was there!

Happy days.

Thanks for keeping us up Garry.

KRO
DES
11:05, Thu 17 May
Bluejohn
That was year after they won double Yes? as it was smith and les allen in 60/61 season.
Greaves replaced Allen in 61/62 from AC or was it inter?

KRO
11:11, Thu 17 May
I'm not doubting your dad, he saw Greaves play and I didn't...and I envy him because, along with Duncan Edwards, Greaves is the (non-Blues) player I wished I had seen play.

But when I look at footage of his goals he seemed like much more than just a finisher. Getting the ball deep and dribbling past people, waltzing round keepers, headers, volleys, 25 yarders...he looked like he could do the bloody lot.

Obviously his volume of goals was ridiculous, but the quality of a lot of them was very high too.
DES
12:19, Thu 17 May
your spot on spike, he got a header against uis in a 5.1 fa cup replay defeat and against a very good forest side in 67 he surprised them in the semi wth a 25 yarder!
with hindsight our game may well have been same season!

KRO