Jimmy Greaves

bobbytheg
15:38, Wednesday 16 May 2018
Following on from the Ray Wilson thread. Greaves was the most gifted finisher I have ever seen. Injured during 66 World Cup. This may seem odd and please rip me apart if you wish. Do you think the utter dejection he must have felt after being 1st choice striker but missing out, in anyway may have contributed to his alcohol abuse? Just a thought. Not a statement.
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Rab C Nesbitt replying to bobbytheg
15:40, Wednesday 16 May 2018
Bloody hell mate. Thought this was going to be bad news
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number8 replying to bobbytheg
15:41, Wednesday 16 May 2018
He was already on the pop regularly by then wasn't he? Although I can imagine it didn't help much...

I read his autobiography a long while back - I think he was devastated about 66 but from memory it was the downtime and injuries that really contributed to the alcohol abuse.
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bobbytheg replying to Rab C Nesbitt
15:43, Wednesday 16 May 2018
Sorry Rab. Get yr point.
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newblue replying to bobbytheg
15:43, Wednesday 16 May 2018
There was a thought that Ramsey was a bit suspicious of him - not the type of dedicated and willing workhorse (e,g, Hunt)that Ramsey warmed to. He achieved plenty but he should hold the record for England goals and be in a first 11 of greatest English players, on talent.
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bobbytheg replying to number8
15:45, Wednesday 16 May 2018
Thx. I will see if I can get a copy somewhere. Bet it's a good read.
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TrevorFrancisTrackSuits replying to Rab C Nesbitt
15:47, Wednesday 16 May 2018
had to check if he'd passed away years ago

he's still alive
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number8 replying to bobbytheg
15:47, Wednesday 16 May 2018
There are loads on amazon for less than £3. I think I read the one called "This One's On Me" but I can't remember.
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bobbytheg replying to number8
15:49, Wednesday 16 May 2018
Ta.
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Spike replying to bobbytheg
15:57, Wednesday 16 May 2018
I read Greavsie's book years ago.

It was very good, very honest, very moving.

As Number8 says, Greaves was a massive drinker anyway - and he wasn't alone in that.

I definitely think the World Cup thing played a big part in destroying his hunger for playing. I think that while he was still driven by the football, it was fine. The drinking didn't matter so much. But eventually the drinking became more important and that screwed him.

He was only 26 in 66, but he has said many times that he felt like missing the World Cup final stages cheated him out of what should have been the pinnacle of his career.

His achievements are / were incredible. Mind-blowing. I can remember when I was a kid looking at a book giving stats for England's leading goal scorers, when I saw 44 in 57 I honestly thought it must be a misprint. Then you add in his club records. He was the best of the best.
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Spike replying to number8
16:00, Wednesday 16 May 2018
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There are loads on amazon for less than £3. I think I read the one called "This One's On Me" but I can't remember.

There were two around the same time. I think they were called This One's On Me and One For The Road.

One was about his playing career and the other about TV and life after playing.
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number8 replying to Spike
16:03, Wednesday 16 May 2018
You're right, I remember from Greaves' book the fact that Bobby Moore drank almost as much when he was playing, as well as others at the London clubs (players appeared to hang out with each other all the time, across team lines). Different world.
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number8 replying to Spike
16:05, Wednesday 16 May 2018
I'm reading a book about Socrates at the moment - no, not the philosopher - and he liked the bevvy (and the cigs, and the birds) so much his teams allowed him not to train and turn up when he felt like it because he was so good. And that was late 70's/early 80's. You'd never get that now.
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I.P.F replying to number8
16:06, Wednesday 16 May 2018
The great Peter Cook, a lifelong Spurs fan, was a close friend of Jimmy Greaves. He once described Geeavesie as "the fastest man I've ever seen over ten yards - to the bar".
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Durham Blues replying to bobbytheg
16:07, Wednesday 16 May 2018
Always liked the way he stuck up for Blues against Newbon.
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Spike replying to number8
16:14, Wednesday 16 May 2018
The drinking across club lines thing was definitely right.

During the sixties the same thing went on in Manchester, one of George Best's biggest buddies and drinking partners was Mike Summerbee.

You wouldn't get away with any of it now.
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Durham Blues replying to number8
16:18, Wednesday 16 May 2018
Saw Cruyff used to smoke 60 a day when he was a player, about the same as David Bowie
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oakley replying to Durham Blues
18:22, Wednesday 16 May 2018
What's the story behind this?
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Roger the lodger replying to bobbytheg
18:51, Wednesday 16 May 2018
My old man is a good judge of a player and is old enough to have seen all the greats and he said obviously there have been better all round players, but jimmy greaves was the best finisher he’s ever seen.
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The Hurricane replying to Durham Blues
20:20, Wednesday 16 May 2018
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Durham Blues
Always liked the way he stuck up for Blues against Newbon.

Yes....Greavsie has always been credited as the man who gave Villa benefactor and owner for many years Doug Ellis the nickname " Deadly Doug "

Because Ellis constantly sacked managers .....bit like modern times ....HA HA
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The Hurricane replying to Durham Blues
20:22, Wednesday 16 May 2018
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Saw Cruyff used to smoke 60 a day when he was a player, about the same as David Bowie

Aren't/weren't Paul Gascoigne and Wayne Rooney fairly heavy smokers ???

I recall Blues legendary centre forward at the end of the 60's Freed Pickering was a 20-30 cigarettes a day man
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Bluesince62 replying to oakley
20:26, Wednesday 16 May 2018
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What's the story behind this?

Both brown bread before their time.
Thanks for keeping us up, Harry.
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sheffield blue replying to I.P.F
21:39, Wednesday 16 May 2018
I saw Greavsie guest speaking a couple of years ago, he mentioned that he liked a few scoops, he then said that him and George Best were writing a joint autobiography so if anyone knew what they did between 1970-1975 could they get in touch!
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Fat Buddha replying to number8
22:19, Wednesday 16 May 2018
Socrates and Cruyff both died too young. Both were socialists, all the best people are.
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Bluejohn55 replying to Roger the lodger
00:10, Thursday 17 May 2018
In '61 the great double team came to Stans and I wanted to paint this picture for you!

Danny Blanchflower wins the ball in midfield who passes to a certain John White, who spots Cliff Jones going like a bat out of hell down the left and the pass found him. He looks up and crosses into the middle to where Greavsie and Bobby Smith were waiting and took what seemed an age deciding who was going to bang it past a helpless John Schofield.

I'm glad I was there!

Happy days.

Thanks for keeping us up Garry.

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DES replying to Bluejohn55
11:05, Thursday 17 May 2018
Bluejohn
That was year after they won double Yes? as it was smith and les allen in 60/61 season.
Greaves replaced Allen in 61/62 from AC or was it inter?

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Spike replying to Roger the lodger
11:11, Thursday 17 May 2018
I'm not doubting your dad, he saw Greaves play and I didn't...and I envy him because, along with Duncan Edwards, Greaves is the (non-Blues) player I wished I had seen play.

But when I look at footage of his goals he seemed like much more than just a finisher. Getting the ball deep and dribbling past people, waltzing round keepers, headers, volleys, 25 yarders...he looked like he could do the bloody lot.

Obviously his volume of goals was ridiculous, but the quality of a lot of them was very high too.
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DES replying to Spike
12:19, Thursday 17 May 2018
your spot on spike, he got a header against uis in a 5.1 fa cup replay defeat and against a very good forest side in 67 he surprised them in the semi wth a 25 yarder!
with hindsight our game may well have been same season!

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cartagenablue replying to bobbytheg
13:37, Saturday 19 May 2018
In his autobiography Greaves mentions the FA Cup third round game at St. Andrews in Jan 1962. Imo this was one of the greatest games I ever saw at Stans. 46000 spectators, snow from pitch piled on the running track, HT 0-3 to Spurs (Greaves 2). FT 3-3 with spectators on the pitch whenever Blues scored. The atmosphere was electric. At 3-3 Blues scored again, ref whistles, and everyone thinks it must be a pen to Blues but goal disallowed. In the book Greaves says that he didn’t know why it was disallowed and Blues should have won the game. Blues lost replay 4-2 (Greaves 1) after scoring first on the bog that was White Hart Lane in those days.

Greaves was a fantastic striker in his prime, both in the box and from distance. I always believed England would have won the World Cup in normal time if Greaves had played in the final.
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Blueblood Charcy: Just a better calibre. replying to number8
21:50, Saturday 19 May 2018
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I'm reading a book about Socrates at the moment - no, not the philosopher - and he liked the bevvy (and the cigs, and the birds) so much his teams allowed him not to train and turn up when he felt like it because he was so good. And that was late 70's/early 80's. You'd never get that now.

Got to the second line and thought I didn't think they had tobacco back then, got to the third and remembered there was a footballer called Socrates.
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