14:16, Mon 11 Feb
majson
Something about it doesnt quite add up, maybe im massively wrong and as the EFL seem to have their favourites, Villa have spent a small fortune, spent more again this window yet nothing is mentoined of them despite the fact they even nearly went bust and EFL was even helping them in the summer.

March 1st will be there D-Day - that's the date the accounts for this season have to be submitted.
14:22, Mon 11 Feb
And I suspect this is when their accountancy wizardry will become apparent.
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14:24, Mon 11 Feb
I expect they have already bought all the ingredients, and have Purslow's recipe book open and ready to start cooking those books.
14:24, Mon 11 Feb
El Mayor
Bluesince62
It's ok zxcv said we absolutely won't get a points deduction. I'm happy with that.

Didn't he say we'd spend money in January?
And that Junk and Adams should be dropped for some kids who might score
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14:30, Mon 11 Feb
Le Mod
And I suspect this is when their accountancy wizardry will become apparent.

I love there "he created the rules so he will know how to get round them" comments recently.

The thing is, we will never know what they've done as the EFL won't comment. I suppose it will be in the year-end accounts but think they're due late this year?
14:31, Mon 11 Feb
1 Banana
This thread is beginning to mirror the Brexit Project Fear threads.

Nobody knows. There are no punishment rules in writing. Three men (Lawyers) are going to thrash it out and come up with a punishment that suits the crime.

That’s it.

I'm just glad Blues haven't got Chris Grayling on our side.
14:31, Mon 11 Feb
That as well, though he'd possibly claim Mrabti's wages as spending money.
15:30, Mon 11 Feb
Did he actually create the rules though? I think most of his jobs have been in club administration.
08:06, Tue 12 Feb
We've had 13 pages of comment (and counting).
As per usual, not a murmur from our owners on this - or any other issue concerning the club.

Vincent Tan looks like a paragon of virtue compared to our lot (whoever they may be).
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08:25, Tue 12 Feb
So why are we the only club getting punished.

Surely the other 3, should also be up in the dock? Or have they asked for it to be delayed till next year???

Wednesday for one are still carrying loads of wages, as for Bolton (no comment), just doesn’t seem fair across the board.
08:50, Tue 12 Feb
Quokkasskip
So why are we the only club getting punished.

Surely the other 3, should also be up in the dock? Or have they asked for it to be delayed till next year???

Wednesday for one are still carrying loads of wages, as for Bolton (no comment), just doesn’t seem fair across the board.

QPR's punishment was sorted out last summer, it was historic.
The mob from across the expressway were bought out and they no longer face extinction, hence they were no longer a problem

The ONLY one you can talk about is Sheffield Wednesday - and it might be because they played ball, the EFL left them alone.

I made it clear in my article, and I'll do it again here - Blues are being punished as much for the actions of their board as anything else.
08:57, Tue 12 Feb
They just don't get it do they Dan. I do think though that if, IF, we get this big points deduction, there is more to come regarding other clubs.
09:02, Tue 12 Feb
The crazy thing is Wednesday are hardly egregious spenders either. £20m loss last year but £6m of that was amortisation and some more was admin. Looking at total loss, Wednesday have lost £34m over the three years from 2015-7.

Compare to Middlesbrough, who lost £14m to June 2014, £7m to June 2015, and £26m to June 2016, so breaking FFP by a greater margin than we did. But were allowed to buy promotion and wipe most of that loss out - and rely on bigger FFP margins for the next three seasons after relegation.
09:02, Tue 12 Feb
Surely fine's hurt the board more than points deductions? They only hurts us the fans and the players/ management team who are being stripped of 12 points they've worked for.

It doesn't make any sense to me.
09:04, Tue 12 Feb
Understand the not playing ball, but just the inconsistency of the fact that multiple clubs break the rules and we are the only ones that get punished.

Ren etc have really cocked this up as I am sure we are not even the worst offenders.

Pedersen wasn’t worth it
09:09, Tue 12 Feb
The crazy thing is Wednesday are hardly egregious spenders either. £20m loss last year but £6m of that was amortisation and some more was admin. Looking at total loss, Wednesday have lost £34m over the three years from 2015-7.

Compare to Middlesbrough, who lost £14m to June 2014, £7m to June 2015, and £26m to June 2016, so breaking FFP by a greater margin than we did. But were allowed to buy promotion and wipe most of that loss out - and rely on bigger FFP margins for the next three seasons after relegation.

They changed the rules since then though, didn't they? We keep bringing up other clubs on here, but other clubs didn't do what we did - that's why they are after us. This ain't difficult stuff.
09:12, Tue 12 Feb
StechyBlue
Surely fine's hurt the board more than points deductions? They only hurts us the fans and the players/ management team who are being stripped of 12 points they've worked for.

It doesn't make any sense to me.
If there are no points deductions, then Billionaire Owned Club A can just spend £500m on buying promotion, and the owners pay the resulting fine out of their spare change.

If they're deducted enough points to prevent promotion, then the penalty has some teeth.

Plus, Pauper Owned Club B denied promotion by Cheating Club A does after all get the promotion they deserve.
09:16, Tue 12 Feb
Yep, exactly.
09:31, Tue 12 Feb
Whilst I agree with your analysis Dan (ie the board not playing ball being as much of an annoyance to the EFL as the club's accounts), I have to say to be pushing for 12 points seems too much.
I hope you're right, because if so I think we will get the sanction reduced. 12 is too much because they are pissed off with an individual.
Perhaps 6-8 points will be the outcome.
09:39, Tue 12 Feb
This has always been (one part of) my argument.

To say that the EFL are looking to screw us because we annoyed them - if true, makes them look petty, unprofessional and driven by temper rather than reason.

The EFL struggles with credibility as it is - to put it mildly - and this kind of suggested vindictive overkill would make them look like even bigger idiots...if that were possible.

Any punishment must be proportionate and just to stand up.

As I have said many times, if the punishment were 12 points I would be amazed - and doubly amazed if it was upheld.