10:36, Sun 10 Feb
If the EFL regulated the spending of relegated premier league teams i.e. Spending parachute payments and allowing three years before they fall completely into EFL then transfer fees and wages wouldn't shaft the rest of the league.

If they didn't let super agents further compromise the system it wouldn't force others to play catch up

Equally if footballing authorities did more to prevent dodgy owners in the first place we wouldn't have needed to spend recklessly to bring a competitive squad together, we were buying at Primark for countless years post Yeung.

Transfer caps, squad size limits, and wage caps should be introduced across the league if the EFL wanted to really make it fair

If the norm becomes 12 point deductions for teams people will really start to lose interest
10:38, Sun 10 Feb
Is that not what Villa have been able to do for three years? Fortunately they have employed muppets but most clubs would have been promoted with such a financial advantage
10:40, Sun 10 Feb
In a way - but these new owners of vile, if allowed, could make Wolves spending look like us under Lee Clark. The fact they haven't (I assume) is because they have no more parachute payments left and have an eye on P&S rules.
10:43, Sun 10 Feb
i think what i’m saying is if i thought these rules were good enough to protect clubs from shady ownership, then great

but they’re not ... we just get points deduction and shady owners

we’ve had a series of owners that don’t know a clothes line from a goal line.... and to think Fry labelled that at Sullivan !!!
10:45, Sun 10 Feb
Jenny Tulwought
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So there are no rules regarding punishment and the panel of 3 legal representatives, one being a legal representative of Blues will thrash out a deal for any punishment if so be it.

No way will we receive 12 points deduction as legally, the no rules scenario doesn’t have a leg to stand on legally.
10:50, Sun 10 Feb
yes this is the answer... across the league as a whole EFL and EPL

squad limits... how can chelsea be allowed to loan out 40 plus players isn’t it? thus influencing leagues unfairly below them

wage/spending caps - why not. if everyone has an upper limit then now we have a sport based on team ethics, scouting and coaching


and ffs stop rewarding failure with such monetary gain

relegation or 17th finish in the prem is FAILURE
winning the FA CUP is SUCCESS
winning the League Cup is SUCCESS
winning the Zenith Data Systems Cup is SUCCESS!!!
10:53, Sun 10 Feb
Again great post from Bluemachine all of which is valid.

But the world as we all know is grossly unfair and heavily biased in the favour of the "Haves" not the "Have Nots".

However much we disagree with it, the FFP while being far off from the finished article, is a step in the right direction, it's just our bad luck we're the first ones to get hammered by it, and that's down to our owners fecking up royally.

I just want someone in the EFL to now kick on and have the balls to challenge the parachute payment system, THIS is fundamentally what is causing the problem. And here's how they could maybe do it - change the EFL rules so that parachute payments are EXCLUDED from the financial assessments, and change the period from 3 years to 12 months.
10:57, Sun 10 Feb
So other teams parachute payments are to blame for us spending shitloads?

Ok
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10:59, Sun 10 Feb
Yes, exactly this - and not just Blues. It's created a situation where most Championship clubs are over-spending to try and compete with clubs like Villa.
11:04, Sun 10 Feb
Yes, exactly this - and not just Blues. It's created a situation where most Championship clubs are over-spending to try and compete with clubs like Villa.

Believe me ... Villa haven't spent tuppence of what they could spend under their new owners !! They are SO cash rich they cold outspend virtually anyone in the UK including Premiership teams if the rules allowed it
11:08, Sun 10 Feb
Nobody would be complaining if blues had just been relegated and had just spent massive on players to go straight back up.

Besides how many clubs recently have come down, spent wisely and gone straight back up? Last I can remember is Newcastle.

I understand why people get frustrated, but you can’t agree to rules, break said rules and then moan that you’re getting punished surely?
11:14, Sun 10 Feb
Nobody would be complaining if blues had just been relegated and had just spent massive on players to go straight back up.

Besides how many clubs recently have come down, spent wisely and gone straight back up? Last I can remember is Newcastle.

I understand why people get frustrated, but you can’t agree to rules, break said rules and then moan that you’re getting punished surely?

We didn't just agree to abide by them ... we were one of the clubs who voted for them to be applied
11:16, Sun 10 Feb
Yes, exactly this - and not just Blues. It's created a situation where most Championship clubs are over-spending to try and compete with clubs like Villa.

Believe me ... Villa haven't spent tuppence of what they could spend under their new owners !! They are SO cash rich they cold outspend virtually anyone in the UK including Premiership teams if the rules allowed it

Just in case people aren't aware .... the Sawiris family are worth about £38 billion ... but £28 billion of that is in cash !!!
11:17, Sun 10 Feb
Yes I agree totally.

My point though (putting to one side for a moment Blues pending points deduction), if we're going to tackle the problem of clubs spending beyond their means then the parachute payment system has to be looked at it, particularly in relation to FFP. Nothing you can do about the riches of the Premiership, but when they drop down to the EFL (and the EFL's rules) it needs to be made more of a level playing field.
11:22, Sun 10 Feb
El Mayor
Say our owners were allowed to go crazy spending, rack up huge amounts of wages and then walked away. Whose fault would it be then that the club would be plunged into admin with all that entailed?

We are being protected from the absolute worst, IMO. The rules aren't great, but there is a reason they are there.

I might be wrong (have these rules changed?) but we would get a 12 point deduction..Start again, Leeds, Leicester,Palace, Southampton etc etc....

Is that worse than the protection we are likely to receive that may eventually push us into administration anyway!

We broke the rules, we all get that but we are being punished like someone getting 10yrs for stealing bread when they are starving. Instead of nodding sagely and agreeing with the EFL our fans should be belligerent and oppose any punishment to drive and drive it down.

After all no one else is going to stand up for us.