00:07, Sun 10 Feb
The BBC said (both on 5 Live this morning, and on The Final Score show this afternoon, that Birmingham WILL be deducted points - though not enough to put them in danger of relegation (or words to that effect). They also said that a financial penalty was not going to be imposed. As has been asked already, how do the BBC know this - where's the official source?

The BBC also said this afternoon, that the ruling would be given later this month. Whether that means the ruling will be finalised later this month - or it has already been finalised but won't be promulgated until later in February, we don't know.
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00:22, Sun 10 Feb
If we get as many as 12pts deducted, I think there will be a big reaction from the fans. Does the EFL have the stomach for that? It would be bad publicity for the EFL, and would lead to closer scrutiny of their (secretive) handling of matters. This might include an examination of proportionality, in the context of several other clubs having breached P&S rules. It would be very dangerous for the EFL to give us a massive 12 pts penalty, then not penalise others in proportion to that.
00:42, Sun 10 Feb
It’s called journalism. I know it’s out of fashion, but the job of a journalist is to find information and report it, which is what the BBC have done. It’s also a journalist thing to protect sources, something else that for some reason seems to be unreasonable these days.

I don’t want to sound a dick here, but people moan when the newspapers are full of click bait and then moan when someone actually produces a story that has information.

The club will be aware of this before it’s come out, they just won’t be saying anything.
00:45, Sun 10 Feb
The BBC said (both on 5 Live this morning, and on The Final Score show this afternoon, that Birmingham WILL be deducted points - though not enough to put them in danger of relegation (or words to that effect). They also said that a financial penalty was not going to be imposed. As has been asked already, how do the BBC know this - where's the official source?

The BBC also said this afternoon, that the ruling would be given later this month. Whether that means the ruling will be finalised later this month - or it has already been finalised but won't be promulgated until later in February, we don't know.

promulgated ........what a cracking word. 👏
01:10, Sun 10 Feb
Yes, ‘promulgated’ is a pretty good word, especially after midnight!
If the verdict is that we get 12 points (I don’t think it will be) and nobody else is penalised, then there will be a big reaction from our fans imo. The EFL might get away with 6 pts or less. A fine would be more appropriate imo. The EFL should punish the owners, and not the innocent fans. We suffer enough, as it is, eg at QPR.
01:52, Sun 10 Feb
Yes, ‘promulgated’ is a pretty good word, especially after midnight!
If the verdict is that we get 12 points (I don’t think it will be) and nobody else is penalised, then there will be a big reaction from our fans imo. The EFL might get away with 6 pts or less. A fine would be more appropriate imo. The EFL should punish the owners, and not the innocent fans. We suffer enough, as it is, eg at QPR.

Purely fining clubs is a ridiculous idea ... those who are poor will be made poorer and even more in debt .. those who are rich with incredibly wealthy owners (like Villa) will therefore encouraged to blatantly break every rule safe in the knowledge that they can afford the fines.

Points deductions for violations is the best way forward .. what is important is that others who do the same in the future are also punished
02:28, Sun 10 Feb
If the offending club is genuinely poor, then I agree, you should deduct points. But many offending clubs have owners who are not poor. They are chancers. We are one of those clubs. QPR were similar, when they were fined.
Why should.our fans be made the scapegoats? We’ve been through enough, as it is.
03:50, Sun 10 Feb
If the offending club is genuinely poor, then I agree, you should deduct points. But many offending clubs have owners who are not poor. They are chancers. We are one of those clubs. QPR were similar, when they were fined.
Why should.our fans be made the scapegoats? We’ve been through enough, as it is.

.. YEAH ... and if all of Redknapp's incredibly expensive gambles had paid off then none of the fans would have celebrated promotion on the basis of "nothing to do with us .. it's all thanks to the board .. we have no right to celebrate"

Sorry ... but you HAVE to find a way of disassociating a club's financial recklessness from just allowing the rich ones to pay their way to promotion because they can afford any fine

I'm not saying the rules are perfect but eventually it will allow those clubs who are run sensibly and who invest in their youth setups and spend steadily to compete with the likes of Villa who (under their new owners) could just afford to buy an entire Premiership team.

It's just unlucky that we (Blues) happen to be the first to fall foul of this - but at the same time we won't be the last - and what's important is to ensure that there is clear consistency over the rules and punishments.

PS ... i don't think people realise just how incredibly cash rich Villa's new owners are - i'm sure you'd be the first to complain if they suddenly went out and spent another £300million on players (something that is mere pocket money for them) on the basis that they could easily afford to pay any fines

Of course .... Blues' owners could triple the prices of all match tickets to generate extra income !! .. but they haven't ... they could have sold Adams for £10million ... but they refused ... aren't those things that have benefited the fans ?

Perhaps we should have kept Zola, Redknapp and Cotterill to avoid their expensive pay-offs !!

To be honest ... i think the restrictions have actually benefited Blues in some ways this year. A smaller, tighter, consistent playing squad where we have had to concentrate on good coaching to get the best out of the players we have.

FFP makes (or should make) football teams concentrate on good things about the game instead of just ignoring the kids on their books, and dropping and ditching players who are underperforming

PS .. i also think their should be more of the Premiership TV money given to Championship teams to cut the massive gap between Premier and Championship
08:16, Sun 10 Feb
As an aside, paying off managers doesn't come into the FFP thing I don't think.
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08:20, Sun 10 Feb
Good post there Rags.

As much as it hurts, I'm also in the camp that thinks if we are going to be deducted points, let's take it on the chin now. Even though we're playing some great football and Che is on fire, I still don't think the squad is strong enough to make it into the Play-offs, let alone win them. A couple of injuries here and there (say Adams?) and the paucity of the squad will be revealed.

I've been told that the only reason we were allowed to sign Pederson was a legal challenge to the EFL from Pederson's own lawyers (not Blues) which forced the EFL to backdown, probably fuelling their anger.

Surely the best outcome here is a points deduction now which doesn't place us in relegation peril, so we start next season with a clean slate, so long as the EFL are then consistent in applying the same punishment to others next season. Worse case scenario I can see is an appeal, leading to a suspended penalty which then hits us start of next season.

That said, 12 points seems remarkably harsh, if that is indeed what they're suggesting.
08:28, Sun 10 Feb
El Mayor
It’s called journalism. I know it’s out of fashion, but the job of a journalist is to find information and report it, which is what the BBC have done. It’s also a journalist thing to protect sources, something else that for some reason seems to be unreasonable these days.

I don’t want to sound a dick here, but people moan when the newspapers are full of click bait and then moan when someone actually produces a story that has information.

The club will be aware of this before it’s come out, they just won’t be saying anything.

This exactly. Journalists do get access to information but often cant release that information in full until an appropriate time.
08:35, Sun 10 Feb
montypenguin
Good post there Rags.

As much as it hurts, I'm also in the camp that thinks if we are going to be deducted points, let's take it on the chin now. Even though we're playing some great football and Che is on fire, I still don't think the squad is strong enough to make it into the Play-offs, let alone win them. A couple of injuries here and there (say Adams?) and the paucity of the squad will be revealed.

I've been told that the only reason we were allowed to sign Pederson was a legal challenge to the EFL from Pederson's own lawyers (not Blues) which forced the EFL to backdown, probably fuelling their anger.

Surely the best outcome here is a points deduction now which doesn't place us in relegation peril, so we start next season with a clean slate, so long as the EFL are then consistent in applying the same punishment to others next season. Worse case scenario I can see is an appeal, leading to a suspended penalty which then hits us start of next season.

That said, 12 points seems remarkably harsh, if that is indeed what they're suggesting.

Not singling you out specifically Monty but have seen a lot of people suggesting that a 12 point deduction this season will not affect us. If applied now it would put us 18th on 34 points one point above Wigan and 8 above Reading 22nd, meaning we would need to win probably 5 of the last 16 games to get to 50pts. Whilst this team should be able to cope with this, and I would expect them to, a few injuries and suspensions and some bad results...
08:38, Sun 10 Feb
If it’s going to be points then we need to take them now.

As good as we’ve done,even if by some long shot we sneak into the playoffs we have to then go and win them....just not happening.

More of a concern is a continuation of this embargo into next season.We are still in breach of FFP this season.
08:43, Sun 10 Feb
Blue Machine
If it’s going to be points then we need to take them now.

As good as we’ve done,even if by some long shot we sneak into the playoffs we have to then go and win them....just not happening.

More of a concern is a continuation of this embargo into next season.We are still in breach of FFP this season.

Were we not in a similar position when we went up in 2002 under Bruce, sneaking in late doors in good form... it could still happen. I'd like to see the EFL embargo a Premiership club!
08:44, Sun 10 Feb
Yes, ‘promulgated’ is a pretty good word, especially after midnight!
If the verdict is that we get 12 points (I don’t think it will be) and nobody else is penalised, then there will be a big reaction from our fans imo. The EFL might get away with 6 pts or less. A fine would be more appropriate imo. The EFL should punish the owners, and not the innocent fans. We suffer enough, as it is, eg at QPR.

Purely fining clubs is a ridiculous idea ... those who are poor will be made poorer and even more in debt .. those who are rich with incredibly wealthy owners (like Villa) will therefore encouraged to blatantly break every rule safe in the knowledge that they can afford the fines.

Points deductions for violations is the best way forward .. what is important is that others who do the same in the future are also punished

Trouble is, clubs like vile will have weazel money men to circumvent the rules and get away with it.
09:14, Sun 10 Feb
Wont get chance if they deduct us points
09:20, Sun 10 Feb
Rags
If the offending club is genuinely poor, then I agree, you should deduct points. But many offending clubs have owners who are not poor. They are chancers. We are one of those clubs. QPR were similar, when they were fined.
Why should.our fans be made the scapegoats? We’ve been through enough, as it is.

.. YEAH ... and if all of Redknapp's incredibly expensive gambles had paid off then none of the fans would have celebrated promotion on the basis of "nothing to do with us .. it's all thanks to the board .. we have no right to celebrate"

Sorry ... but you HAVE to find a way of disassociating a club's financial recklessness from just allowing the rich ones to pay their way to promotion because they can afford any fine

I'm not saying the rules are perfect but eventually it will allow those clubs who are run sensibly and who invest in their youth setups and spend steadily to compete with the likes of Villa who (under their new owners) could just afford to buy an entire Premiership team.

It's just unlucky that we (Blues) happen to be the first to fall foul of this - but at the same time we won't be the last - and what's important is to ensure that there is clear consistency over the rules and punishments.

PS ... i don't think people realise just how incredibly cash rich Villa's new owners are - i'm sure you'd be the first to complain if they suddenly went out and spent another £300million on players (something that is mere pocket money for them) on the basis that they could easily afford to pay any fines

Of course .... Blues' owners could triple the prices of all match tickets to generate extra income !! .. but they haven't ... they could have sold Adams for £10million ... but they refused ... aren't those things that have benefited the fans ?

Perhaps we should have kept Zola, Redknapp and Cotterill to avoid their expensive pay-offs !!

To be honest ... i think the restrictions have actually benefited Blues in some ways this year. A smaller, tighter, consistent playing squad where we have had to concentrate on good coaching to get the best out of the players we have.

FFP makes (or should make) football teams concentrate on good things about the game instead of just ignoring the kids on their books, and dropping and ditching players who are underperforming

PS .. i also think their should be more of the Premiership TV money given to Championship teams to cut the massive gap between Premier and Championship
Good post rags.
There is no easy way to protect the fans from owners financially ruining their Clubs.
These rules have been agreed. We broke them.
As it stands its possible to spend 250k per week more than you earn, for every week of the financial year.
We spent nearly 750k more per week according to the last accounts.
Some on here call Liverpool "the victims". Reading this thread back it's very ironic
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09:21, Sun 10 Feb
I agree Rab,

And if things were to go pear shaped, how many people would demand the EFL do more to protect the club?
09:23, Sun 10 Feb
It's exactly what a lot have done since the porn dwarves pocketed Yeungs perm takings and roulette winnings 😆
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09:28, Sun 10 Feb
Rab C Nesbitt
It's exactly what a lot have done since the port dwarves pocketed Yeungs perm takings and roulette winnings 😆

/googles hardc0re port