As a CAMRA member of 25+yrs standing I have never objected to paying what is asked. If it wasn't for CAMRA all you'd have is Carlsberg bland lager and a number of variants all tasting the same. Being aCAMRA member you can get discounts, but most I know don't invoke them.
P.S. I refer to lager as Europiss, that's being generous.
Instead with CAMRA all we’ve got is “europiss” and a shit load of rubbish warm beer nobody clearly wants to drink.
CAMRA have done just as much harm to the UK beer industry as the massive lager producers have.
Ricky BlottoAnybody who this has a "huge impact" on needs to consider their life choices.
Why?
The last vestige of Jennings beers, Cumberland, is now gone after the majority of the brand was more or less wiped out once Carlsburg bought out Marstons.
It is such a pity and devastating for the UK industry!
Never more Snecklifter, Cumberland, Crag Hopper etc!
😁 Yeah - sure.
Choose to believe me or not but their insistence on cask over keg no matter what the situation and the associated financial losses of pubs fail to sell it all in the few days casked beers last was hugely detrimental to independent pubs at the height of CAMRAs popularity in the 2000-2010s.
It’s quite a well known subject and it’s very easy to read up on the damage they did to the pub industry. They were like a cartel at one point.
Fortunately kegged styles are far more fashionable now and CAMRAs influence has wained massively and now it’s nothing more than an old man circlejerk.
Bluesince62 F.E.A.Couple of real nice ales there - especially the Old Empire IPA...RIP.
"A brewing company has been accused of "wiping out" UK heritage after deciding to axe a number of beers from being sold at pubs.
Carlsberg Marston's Brewing Company has announced 11 beers will no longer be served in pubs across the country after reviewing its product line.
The delisted beers are:
Banks's Mild
Banks's Sunbeam
Bombardier
Eagle IPA
Jennings Cumberland Ale
Mansfield Dark Smooth
Mansfield Original Bitter
Marston's Old Empire
Marston's 61 Deep
Ringwood Boondoggle
Ringwood Old Thumper
The Campaign for Real Ale said the decision will have a "huge impact" on pubs and pub-goers.
The organisation's cider and perry campaigns director and vice chair Gillian Hough said: "This is another example of a globally owned business wiping out UK brewing heritage.
"This loss of consumer choice is the inevitable outcome of a brewing conglomerate run by accountants and the bottom line.
"This is a sad and disappointing decision that puts both the history and the future of British brewing in jeopardy."
Beer company Carlsberg paid £206mn to take full control of the brewing joint venture it had with the pub operator Marston's in July.
The original joint venture, in which Marston's previously had a 40% stake, was announced in May 2020 with a view to creating one of the UK's biggest brewing, beverage and distribution businesses.
The July deal effectively made Carlsberg the UK's biggest player in cask ale - giving it full ownership of brands such as Marston's Pedigree, Hobgoblin, Wainwright, Young's, Courage, Banks's, Jennings Cumberland Ale and McEwan's.
Months later, Carlsberg Marston announced it would close the 150-year-old Banks's Brewery in Wolverhampton as part of restructuring.
Carlsberg Marston has been asked for comment."
Typical CAMRA bedwetting to a load of brands that clearly no-one wants to drink anymore, as Rab said plenty more choice in the market these days.
That reads like a who's who's of crap beers. Shite.
TandyInstead with CAMRA all we’ve got is “europiss” and a shit load of rubbish warm beer nobody clearly wants to drink.
CAMRA have done just as much harm to the UK beer industry as the massive lager producers have.
I’m afraid that’s total cobblers.
newblueTandyInstead with CAMRA all we’ve got is “europiss” and a shit load of rubbish warm beer nobody clearly wants to drink.
CAMRA have done just as much harm to the UK beer industry as the massive lager producers have.
I’m afraid that’s total cobblers.
I'm definitely also struggling with the idea that a harmless bunch of blokes in jackets made of beer towels are as much of a cartel as the breweries and pubcos who pretty much literally act as a cartel with tied supply, mergers, restrictive covenants on closed pubs etc. Have the Competition and Markets Authority been looking the wrong way all this time with their investigations into the pub trade?
It's a bit like saying 'do you know who's really responsible for all those oil slicks? Greenpeace.'
TandyInstead with CAMRA all we’ve got is “europiss” and a shit load of rubbish warm beer nobody clearly wants to drink.
CAMRA have done just as much harm to the UK beer industry as the massive lager producers have.
I’m afraid that’s total cobblers.
Rude, slightly. Arrogant, not at all. Talking from experience, yes.
You are very know all. I’ve never been a member of Camra but actually lived through the time when the breweries completely monopolised beer supply, got rid of decent beer, and tried to force abominations like Brew Eleven on the population. The people in Camra also saved many, many pubs which were in danger of disappearing, and I think generally embodied the type of pub that people call ‘cracking’ on here. We had Federation brewery up here that serviced clubs stuck everything in kegs, their beer was awful too. Of course what people want changes but we’ll have lost a lot when the communality of the traditional pub is replaced completely by people watching their cinema level teles while supping booze bought at about half the price (or less) that you get in the pub. That’s what’s mostly fecking things.
I have experience too of people who have run and built real ale businesses - the Tap and Spile Chain, Head of Steam etc. Beer is only ‘warm’ when it’s not kept properly. Cask beer is infinitely better than keg, though I’m not such a snob as to never drink keg. To suggest Camra has done equal damage is ludicrous as is your silly characterisations. I’m not even sure if we’d have had the independent brewers we have now without them (most being found by, orsecond generation of, real ale supporters).
The delisted beers are:
Banks's Mild
Banks's Sunbeam
Bombardier
Eagle IPA
Jennings Cumberland Ale
Mansfield Dark Smooth
Mansfield Original Bitter
Marston's Old Empire
Marston's 61 Deep
Ringwood Boondoggle
Ringwood Old Thumper
Tastes change…..these are all ancient brews that would be bottom of any extensive list say in the Wellington in Town and would not shift. They are primarily bottled beers and modern brews from many microbreweries are better.
I was weaned on Banks mild, but obviously not very fashionable these days.