17:25, Mon 3 Feb
Tarquin
No. I'm saying if a ball is delivered from a wide area across the penalty area , irrespective of the personnel it is a cross.

Our first goal on Saturday . The ball from Dowell to Dykes. Cross or putting the ball across?



I love the thought that Chris Davies could be sitting at his laptop reading this conversation.
17:31, Mon 3 Feb
Rags
Opta

A ball played from a wide position targeting a teammate(s) in a central area within proximity to the Goal. The delivery must have an element of lateral movement from a wider position to more central area in front of Goal.

Anderson’s is definitely a cross, weird argument.

Anderson is at least 2 whole yards inside the friggin' penalty area when he "plays the ball across" - how on earth does that meet the Opta definition of "cross" ... ie "A ball played from a wide position".

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I should have ignored the previous personal abuse if this is the level of thinking behind it.
You've literally posted an image of a delivery that has an "element of lateral movement from a wider position to more central area in front of Goal" and you're questioning my level of thinking
17:33, Mon 3 Feb
Rags
Opta

A ball played from a wide position targeting a teammate(s) in a central area within proximity to the Goal. The delivery must have an element of lateral movement from a wider position to more central area in front of Goal.

Anderson’s is definitely a cross, weird argument.

Anderson is at least 2 whole yards inside the friggin' penalty area when he "plays the ball across" - how on earth does that meet the Opta definition of "cross" ... ie "A ball played from a wide position".

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I should have ignored the previous personal abuse if this is the level of thinking behind it.
You've literally posted an image of a delivery that has an "element of lateral movement from a wider position to more central area in front of Goal" and you're questioning my level of thinking


by the very definition you used ... the main definition before you get to the caveat sub-definition ... it's not "a cross"

"A ball played from a wide position targeting a teammate(s) in a central area within proximity to the Goal. The delivery must have an element of lateral movement from a wider position to more central area in front of Goal."

Your ridiculous misinterpretation, of the very Opta definition you asked me to refer to, would make a 2 foot pass across the 6 yard box "a cross"
17:46, Mon 3 Feb
So you think Anderson is in a central position there? He's in the first third of the pitch. Where exactly is your misinterpretation of a wide area?
17:52, Mon 3 Feb
Think Anderson dinked it tbf.

Rags is right, a dink like that isnt a cross.
18:05, Mon 3 Feb
So you think Anderson is in a central position there? He's in the first third of the pitch. Where exactly is your misinterpretation of a wide area?

Not even bothering - i've checked and i definitly didn't say "Anderson is in a central position "

... but strictly speaking, are you seriously saying that any part of the penalty area is positioned "wide" in comparison to the pitch ? ... 'cos i wouldn't

... and if you are claiming that being 2 yards inside the opposition penalty area is being in a "wide position" are you also claiming that an attacker stood in the opposition "D" is in a defensive position ?



but yes ... (and apologies for roughness, i've just done this on my phone using my finger) .... if the ball is aimed into the centre of the pitch then it has to come from the areas marked yellow to be "a cross"

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18:25, Mon 3 Feb
So you think Anderson is in a central position there? He's in the first third of the pitch. Where exactly is your misinterpretation of a wide area?

Not even bothering - i've checked and i definitly didn't say "Anderson is in a central position "

... but strictly speaking, are you seriously saying that any part of the penalty area is positioned "wide" in comparison to the pitch ? ... 'cos i wouldn't

... and if you are claiming that being 2 yards inside the opposition penalty area is being in a "wide position" are you also claiming that an attacker stood in the opposition "D" is in a defensive position ?



later edit ...

but yes ... (and apologies for roughness, i've just done this on my phone using my finger) .... if the ball is aimed into the centre (ie any perpendicular extension of the 20yds across the 6 yard box plus one yard either side) then it has to come from the areas marked yellow to be deemed "a cross"

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18:36, Mon 3 Feb
It is definitely a sign of a slow transfer deadline day if the closest thing to a highlight is seeing how long someone can be bothered to keep arguing a cross isn't a cross.
18:42, Mon 3 Feb
that directly contradicts this post.


No. I'm saying if a ball is delivered from a wide area across the penalty area , irrespective of the personnel it is a cross.

Our first goal on Saturday . The ball from Dowell to Dykes. Cross or putting the ball across?


cross

Dowell is about as far wide as Keshi was.
18:43, Mon 3 Feb
Snoop
It is definitely a sign of a slow transfer deadline day if the closest thing to a highlight is seeing how long someone can be bothered to keep arguing a cross isn't a cross.
Will be saying Jesus was on a "getting it across" next.
18:47, Mon 3 Feb
What a fecking thread this is.
Tell you what that crack is really moreish.
18:49, Mon 3 Feb
that directly contradicts this post.


No. I'm saying if a ball is delivered from a wide area across the penalty area , irrespective of the personnel it is a cross.

Our first goal on Saturday . The ball from Dowell to Dykes. Cross or putting the ball across?


cross

Dowell is about as far wide as Keshi was.

Dowell wasn't in the box
18:49, Mon 3 Feb
Wagner’s Dream
Snoop
It is definitely a sign of a slow transfer deadline day if the closest thing to a highlight is seeing how long someone can be bothered to keep arguing a cross isn't a cross.
Will be saying Jesus was on a "getting it across" next.

Technically it would only have been a cross that Jesus was on if it had started from outside one of the two convicts...
18:55, Mon 3 Feb
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Yes, "technically" i've gone outside my own rules ..... but not by as much as you are by saying Dowell was in the same position as Anderson and Dykes was in the same position as Stansfield was !!


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More importantly we are arguing based on the Opta definition you wanted to use ... and Opta doesn't define that as a cross either


MOST importantly both (and all) instances are backing my argument that we aren't playing with wingers who position themselves very wide, go outside the full back, and deliver from very wide any more



PS ... Snoop --- apologies for aiming the reply at you
19:04, Mon 3 Feb
It is definitely a sign of a slow transfer deadline day if the closest thing to a highlight is seeing how long someone can be bothered to keep arguing a cross isn't a cross.

I'm just hanging round waiting for others to post the transfer news .... i have no access to any inside info from Blues any more