In your opinion.
Based on some data (I think annual revenue is probably most representative as a) it is published and analysed by sports accounting specialists and b) football success is so strongly correlated to financial strength) Celtic and Rangers are not big clubs. They may have resonant names and lots of followers (for football or sectarian reasons, whatever) but they've been left behind years ago. Dingles sit 29th in the latest Deloitte revenue rankings at around €207m. Celtic was €145.5m, Rangers was €103m. 6 UK based teams were in the top 10. You don't need me to list them.
They are huge clubs, as much as I dislike them if they came down here they would thrive.
110sausagesJeff HallCeltic and Rangers are massive clubs. Bigger than 9-10 of the premier league clubs from this season.
That being said they don’t understand the size of some English clubs in the second tier and how hard they would push them in the SPL.
Massive???? In Scotland yes. And that's where it ends
I think it’s an error to say that they aren’t massive clubs on the basis that every other team in their league is comparatively small. Historically, both would have been competitive in the Premier League, and I believe that Celtic still would be.
Their worldwide fan base is probably in the top dozen or so most supported clubs.
JourneyOnCeltic are as big as Liverpool and the two clubs are both arguably in the top 5 in Britain and easily the top 10.
They are huge. The comments from a sizeable majority on that thread is laughable but not surprising.
Big as Liverpool….ffs behave.
JourneyOnCeltic are as big as Liverpool and the two clubs are both arguably in the top 5 in Britain and easily the top 10.
They are huge. The comments from a sizeable majority on that thread is laughable but not surprising.
Celtic's revenue is around £125m, for context that is about £10m lower than Luton when they were in the Prem.
Liverpool's revenue is £600m+
They have a big fan base and a full trophy cabinet but economic reality means they're not even of a level with teams like Palace.
Van Djik and Armstrong left them for Southampton, Ajer went to Brentford.
110sausagesJeff HallCeltic and Rangers are massive clubs. Bigger than 9-10 of the premier league clubs from this season.
That being said they don’t understand the size of some English clubs in the second tier and how hard they would push them in the SPL.
Massive???? In Scotland yes. And that's where it ends
They’ve been hampered by the fact they are not part of the English football system in the same way Wrexham, Cardiff, Swansea etc are.
The old firm bore me. There’s no bias family history etc clouding this and I think the SPL is very poor but I genuinely believe that in terms of Britain Celtic, Liverpool and ManUre are 1, 2 and 3 (in any order and an argument could be made for each one).
Sounds like we are into the classic undefined ‘big club’ debate. Off-season starts here boys!
I note you don’t mention Man City as being a big club when they have won the champions league and premier leagues galore.
SnoopJourneyOnCeltic are as big as Liverpool and the two clubs are both arguably in the top 5 in Britain and easily the top 10.
They are huge. The comments from a sizeable majority on that thread is laughable but not surprising.
Celtic's revenue is around £125m, for context that is about £10m lower than Luton when they were in the Prem.
Liverpool's revenue is £600m+
They have a big fan base and a full trophy cabinet but economic reality means they're not even of a level with teams like Palace.
Van Djik and Armstrong left them for Southampton, Ajer went to Brentford.
I’m not talking about economics. They are hampered that they play in the SPL. I’m talking about history, tradition and fan base.
Man Citeh and Chelsea are say on par and arguably below the like of Everton in that regard.
If economics is so important then Wrexham etc are massive. They are not.
cjm1908Sounds like we are into the classic undefined ‘big club’ debate. Off-season starts here boys!
I note you don’t mention Man City as being a big club when they have won the champions league and premier leagues galore.
They’re not a big club. The vile are a bigger club and I hate the vile more than I hate anything in this world.
That's kinda why I tried to offer (revenue) data rather than opinion. But heyho it's a message board and people are allowed to have opinions even if unevidenced....
JourneyOn110sausagesJeff HallCeltic and Rangers are massive clubs. Bigger than 9-10 of the premier league clubs from this season.
That being said they don’t understand the size of some English clubs in the second tier and how hard they would push them in the SPL.
Massive???? In Scotland yes. And that's where it ends
They’ve been hampered by the fact they are not part of the English football system in the same way Wrexham, Cardiff, Swansea etc are.
The old firm bore me. There’s no bias family history etc clouding this and I think the SPL is very poor but I genuinely believe that in terms of Britain Celtic, Liverpool and ManUre are 1, 2 and 3 (in any order and an argument could be made for each one).
I respect your opinion, but putting that as top 3 in Britain, I'm not sure if you are on the wind up
JourneyOnSnoopJourneyOnCeltic are as big as Liverpool and the two clubs are both arguably in the top 5 in Britain and easily the top 10.
They are huge. The comments from a sizeable majority on that thread is laughable but not surprising.
Celtic's revenue is around £125m, for context that is about £10m lower than Luton when they were in the Prem.
Liverpool's revenue is £600m+
They have a big fan base and a full trophy cabinet but economic reality means they're not even of a level with teams like Palace.
Van Djik and Armstrong left them for Southampton, Ajer went to Brentford.
I’m not talking about economics. They are hampered that they play in the SPL. I’m talking about history, tradition and fan base.
Man Citeh and Chelsea are say on par and arguably below the like of Everton in that regard.
If economics is so important then Wrexham etc are massive. They are not.
History and tradition? I smell a DVB! ;-)
Of course Celtic are a big club but the league they play is very poor and like a few others that’s why I’m sceptical about Kyogo. He may have scored a few on a poor league it doesn’t mean he will be great for us
JourneyOncjm1908Sounds like we are into the classic undefined ‘big club’ debate. Off-season starts here boys!
I note you don’t mention Man City as being a big club when they have won the champions league and premier leagues galore.
They’re not a big club. The vile are a bigger club and I hate the vile more than I hate anything in this world.
Right, just so I am clear, in your definition of a 'big club' winning league titles and major trophies is irrelevant?
For context I would say my definition of a 'big club' is a decent sized fan base and regular appearances in the champions league (not one and done like villa).
JourneyOn110sausagesJeff HallCeltic and Rangers are massive clubs. Bigger than 9-10 of the premier league clubs from this season.
That being said they don’t understand the size of some English clubs in the second tier and how hard they would push them in the SPL.
Massive???? In Scotland yes. And that's where it ends
They’ve been hampered by the fact they are not part of the English football system in the same way Wrexham, Cardiff, Swansea etc are.
The old firm bore me. There’s no bias family history etc clouding this and I think the SPL is very poor but I genuinely believe that in terms of Britain Celtic, Liverpool and ManUre are 1, 2 and 3 (in any order and an argument could be made for each one).
Take those three teams into every metric except league titles in a two team league and Man United would comfortably be number one every time.
If they came down and had the English league's prize money they would rise to the top league but equally if say Newcastle or Man United went and played in Scotland they would win a lot of titles and the two clubs would have a diminished fan base. The argument does cut both ways.
I don't think Rangers are particularly big any more the Pro England loyalist lot are an aging bunch.
Celtic is full of plastic people latching onto the Irish/Catholic element of the club.