Legal_BluenoseBit like the Hundred then. The city can't afford it to fail so inflate the demandThey do a lot of offers/deals with some of the big companies in town, so it'll always be busy with city workers in the week.
Surely one of the main reasons pubs are struggling more than other cities is that (other than London), the sprawl of the city centre is much bigger than Manchester, Leeds etc. Plus Birmingham not really seen as a tourist destination is a big factor too.
I'd suggest Manchester City Centre is quite a bit larger than Brum's at least it certainly fills out a bit more than Brums. Brums is a fairly tight core with some ribbons extending out that are infilled by inner city grot wheras Manchester's core is at least a bit squarer or a larger blob I'd say
To illustrate - a walk from Cloudwater Tap on one side of Manc City Core over to The New Oxford in Salford Central (all urban core in between) will take 43 mins
Wheras a walk from Kilder at one end of Brum's core to Indian Brewery Taphouse at the other end (and I'm being generous including that in Brum's core) is about 23 mins
Your second point however, is a decent one
SheriffIt's staggering the number of people surprised when venues go and then say, "I actually haven't been there for ages". Why do you think places close?
POV is a dark place off the beaten track with no outdoor space (which people crave more and more since Covid), which has a niche offering and one that can be replicated easily these days and often better.
HSC - great lads and great offering
POV cramped , stunk of damp , the staff were miserable chunts .Always thought it was strange they didn't have a Belgian beer on draft .
HSC great lads running the show , still have Herberts , various events through-out the summer and opening another venue later this year .
The Sly Old Fox on Hurst Street shut as well.Perhaps it was because of PETA who had started a petition and demanded it change it's name .As it was derogatory to Foxes 🤣🤣🤣
ForeverFrancisSheriffIt's staggering the number of people surprised when venues go and then say, "I actually haven't been there for ages". Why do you think places close?
POV is a dark place off the beaten track with no outdoor space (which people crave more and more since Covid), which has a niche offering and one that can be replicated easily these days and often better.
HSC - great lads and great offering
POV cramped , stunk of damp , the staff were miserable chunts .Always thought it was strange they didn't have a Belgian beer on draft .
HSC great lads running the show , still have Herberts , various events through-out the summer and opening another venue later this year .
The Sly Old Fox on Hurst Street shut as well.Perhaps it was because of PETA who had started a petition and demanded it change it's name .As it was derogatory to Foxes 🤣🤣🤣
Sly Old Fox was rent I think; but tbh it was shit anyway.
Never one of my favourites I think it had a brief period 15/20 odd years ago when it was above mediocre but you can't fault it's location it should if Brum was thriving be doing a decent pre theatre trade in there. Bit surprised it closed tbh
madI'd suggest Manchester City Centre is quite a bit larger than Brum's at least it certainly fills out a bit more than Brums. Brums is a fairly tight core with some ribbons extending out that are infilled by inner city grot wheras Manchester's core is at least a bit squarer or a larger blob I'd say
To illustrate - a walk from Cloudwater Tap on one side of Manc City Core over to The New Oxford in Salford Central (all urban core in between) will take 43 mins
Wheras a walk from Kilder at one end of Brum's core to Indian Brewery Taphouse at the other end (and I'm being generous including that in Brum's core) is about 23 mins
Your second point however, is a decent one
But two different cities...
True but in mad's world they are one urban core. Which they are in reality. There's no inner city grot between them siddling up against one another. A bit like a great big giant version of the peoples republic of Bearwood
The Spotted Dog to the Lord Clifden is a 42 minute walk, I would say 5 ways, the Jewellery Quarter and Digbeth encompass the town centre and the Sports Quarter and Peaky Blinders activity centre will push it further
Nah I don't class those as central core in the way Salford Central and the area around Manky Piccadilly are. Digbeth and Hockley are two of the ribbons I was describing earlier (Broad Street another) with inner city grot in the form of light industry and blocks of flats/HMOs to either side of them. Sure Manchester has inner city grot too but it's outside their significantly larger central core compared to Brum's to my mind
Not meant to knock Brum's ribbons which ought to provide scope for all kinds of future developments and interlinking between them. When HS2 opens and some decent development takes place that might help enlarge Brum's core
No wonder you think Birmingham is shit if you’re writing off entire areas such as the jewellery quarter as not being part of the city.
Your general argument appears to be there’s not enough ale pubs within a short walk from new street therefore town is rubbish. Even though the demand for that venue has dropped hugely (especially in city centre as the older demographic don’t travel in as much).
Of course manc will be bigger if you take arbitrary starting and end points.
You missed out Digbeth, Jewelry quarter or even Broad St/Brindley place. for some reason.
RasputinOf course manc will be bigger if you take arbitrary starting and end points.
You missed out Digbeth, Jewelry quarter or even Broad St/Brindley place. for some reason.
Because he loves Manchester, Salford and Trafford.
It's fairly well established that Brum's inner urban core certainly for retail was too small for a city of it's size hence efforts since the 1980s to expand it outwards.
Broad Street was the main expansion taking over what was formerly inner city canalside factory units
Digbeth at times has been in the core certainly when Brum was founded for instance but I'd say since the 1960s Bull Ring development and that concrete collar put it outside. Nothing over that way suggests it is within the core other than the coach station and the few remaining coach house style pubs along there. These fringe areas are potentially my favourite parts of cities but they're not core city centre of Brum.
Ditto Hockley - vast areas adjacent to St Paul's that are not inner urban core but more a ribbon extension from it.
If you say you're going up town you don't tend to mean JQ or Digbeth you mean town itself. Town is where the banks and high end shops and markets and mainline train stations are