Digbeth back back in the 70s Was mainly a go to for the Irish drinkers ,most of the rest went into town
I think you’re largely clueless and are clutching at straws. Why are you going on about the 70s when the conversation is about what is there now?
There’s loads going on in digbeth and loads going on in the JQ and both are easily accessible from any of the main train stations in the city.
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Au contraire
I'm establishing the basis for why Brum's central core despite 40 years of efforts to expand it outwards still isn't quite as large as Manchester's
In the map linked here the yellow expansion zoning is the hoped for expansion of Brum going forwards but still not quite to the extent that Manchester's urban core already is
I thought your point was that the Birmingham pub and bar scene is crap?
No it'll suffer if it loses too many of these pubs that are going but I take the point that perhaps in 6 months time when half a dozen new places have hopefully opened up instead it's just the churn let's hope so anyway .
Compare Birmingham Southside to the area around Manchester Oxford Road
Compare Dean's gate area with Broad street
Compare Northern Quarter with what's left of Digbeth (hopefully Digbeth will rise again though not just street golf and ping pong)
All in terms of physical buildings and bid rent. Bear in mind Manchester never had a single skyscraper until the late 1990's nor any trams but looks at her now. That airport she has makes a world of difference the £££ they have been able to plough into infrastructure
Arndale with our urban shopping areas probably not too dissimilar these days but where are you taking your nan for some posh shopping if e.g. you live in Stoke? And don't say Chester 🤣
You keep using the term urban like it's a part or area of a city/town... when it is, in fact, a term relating to the characteristics of the whole area of a city or town... as opposed to rural areas and villages.
Most of all "West Midlands" is urban.
madIf you say you're going up town you don't tend to mean JQ or Digbeth you mean town itself. Town is where the banks and high end shops and markets and mainline train stations are
To be fair, if I say I'm going up town I almost exclusively mean I'm going to Digbeth or the JQ
I keep using the fairly clear and well understood term "urban core" to be fair
SimmoThat's a fair point. It's quite a fluid concept. For Brum's urban core to be as extensive as Manchester's you'd have to include the grotty housing area's around St Georges and Ladywood and Highgate and I don't think that's right, those are inner city areas beyond the core whereas Manchester has an area of an equivalent size that would include an expanse from St Georges to Highgate because there are city centre type land uses throughout that area not just strung along a few key thoroughfares. When I was a kid I sort of had the Blues ground as being up town even though it is well out of town although not that far to walk reallyTo be fair, if I say I'm going up town I almost exclusively mean I'm going to Digbeth or the JQ
Castlefield to the Northern Quarter is a straight line distance of 1.4 miles.
Digbeth to JQ is 1.9 miles.
B_C_F_CmadI'd suggest Manchester City Centre is quite a bit larger than Brum's at least it certainly fills out a bit more than Brums. Brums is a fairly tight core with some ribbons extending out that are infilled by inner city grot wheras Manchester's core is at least a bit squarer or a larger blob I'd say
To illustrate - a walk from Cloudwater Tap on one side of Manc City Core over to The New Oxford in Salford Central (all urban core in between) will take 43 mins
Wheras a walk from Kilder at one end of Brum's core to Indian Brewery Taphouse at the other end (and I'm being generous including that in Brum's core) is about 23 mins
Your second point however, is a decent one
But two different cities...
Manchester is spread more than Birmingham to be honest. Leeds I would agree with.
TandyCastlefield to the Northern Quarter is a straight line distance of 1.4 miles.
Digbeth to JQ is 1.9 miles.
Manchester spreads a long way down the Oxford Road
TandyCastlefield to the Northern Quarter is a straight line distance of 1.4 miles.
Digbeth to JQ is 1.9 miles.
Yeah you've compared one side of Manchester's blob to a diagonal across Brum's smaller blob Trig. Id put the Marble Arch Brewery just outside the Manky core (a bit like the Spotty Dog is probably just outside ours) but that'd be being a bit harsh on Manc. Even then however, Manc's core is bigger than Brum's
I'd say our core extends slightly south of the Dome but not as far as where Matthew Boulton College used to be on SHerlock Street. By the time you hit there you are outside the core in the inner city slums same on other sides of Brum's blob apart from the ribbons which have potential to expand the core if they all merged up like the Manky bigger blob
Anyhoo if anyone hasn't seen it I've just seen the mighty Oban Camanachd's forward score a goal in their Shinty cup final that Dennis Bergkamp would've been proud of
Why are you so desperate to do Birmingham down?
It's not healthy for you.
