Docky91KESDocky91KESLeithbluesFFS Jay Stansfield was also a regular in that team
Paik is a solid championship player. Neat and tidy on the ball, but without the cutting edge and creativity that Doyle provides
The same Doyle that seems to always look shot after an hour.
One of Davies biggest mistakes has been not figuring out what to do with the ‘10’ role which is either another midfielder or a second striker.
He didn’t need to think that much about it last season as most teams we played were utter rubbish but this season he’s been found wanting and even now not got an answer.
Breaking news, players don’t that don’t play often aren’t match fit.
In other news, water is wet.
I think that’s just the way he is tbh.
Really? Because literally no wolves fan I’ve spoke to and I work with a team of them has said that even when I pointed it out last week and regardless even if he is, play him for 60 mins and sub him, I’d rather make subs at 60 mins being a goal ahead than a goal behind
He’s also apparently a 10 million pound player. Would you sign him permanently next season?
We haven’t got much choice whether we sign him or not now. He’s coming.
KESDocky91KESDocky91KESDocky91KESI dunno, always thought he’s looked head and shoulders even in the championship last time.
I don’t think he or iwata are the problem tbh. It’s the recruitment around them.
I think we had a solid base to bring younger players around like on the wings and at full back and up front.
Klarer and Neuman, Paik and Iwata with more youthful options could have worked.
Now they are lumbered with older players who are either past it or close to passing it and it all feels a bit like a wasted chance to develop something
So premier league winner Demarai Gray who is in the prime of his career or Patrick Roberts who played 45 games in promotion winning Sunderland’s team, or Jay Stansfield who just gone and won the under 21 European championship arent good enough for Paik and Iwata and that’s the problem. Got it.
Yes. They are. Just because they are names doesn’t mean they will automatically work out.
Gray is inconsistent and we’ve signed Roberts about 5 years too late.
It’s all a bit hap hazard. There philosophy this season was tried and tested. If it doesn’t work, it’s not just down to the two centre midfielders
He played 75 mins a game for a championship promotion winning team last season and you’re saying we signed him 5 years too late? How does that work.
Wingers are often inconsistent but when he’s been fit Gray has been one of our better players consistently this season looking a step above
So they are meant to be inconsistent. Ok. Bail them out but the centre midfielders are the problem.
IMO we should have signed younger players with a higher long term ceiling to complement the current squad.
No im saying it tends to happen hence why most teams have 4/5 of them that are constantly getting minutes.
Even so your argument doesn’t hold water as Dimmi and Roberts have been far better than Paik this season.
Your recruitment strategy is also highly contradicted as we went and got a player 4 years younger than Paik who has looked like our MOM when he’s played centre mid, whilst Paik has looked generously and your saying he shouldn’t start over him.
I think our summer recruitment largely has been led by Davies philosophy (who he himself said was largely involved) because I don’t think he trusts young players and doesn’t play them anyways. Leonard being the prime example of this last season.
For me, it should be flat 433 with one of Doyle and Kanya alongside Paik and Iwata. Then he needs to figure out the front three.
It’s all a bit of a mess.
I am so relieved to see someone else say this. I have felt this has been glaringly obvious for most of the season.
Our midfield 2 (whoever plays there) end up getting too stretched which is why teams have been carving us open.
It is very obvious that instead of pissing around with a 10 who basically buddies up with a winger that extra body should be in centre mid to give us a midfield 3.
I’m not in the Davies out camp but i’m in the Davies needs to start addressing issues camp.
It is pretty obvious this could solve quite a few issues and make us a more solid team with better shape.
HughBlue2KESDocky91KESDocky91KESDocky91KESI dunno, always thought he’s looked head and shoulders even in the championship last time.
I don’t think he or iwata are the problem tbh. It’s the recruitment around them.
I think we had a solid base to bring younger players around like on the wings and at full back and up front.
Klarer and Neuman, Paik and Iwata with more youthful options could have worked.
Now they are lumbered with older players who are either past it or close to passing it and it all feels a bit like a wasted chance to develop something
So premier league winner Demarai Gray who is in the prime of his career or Patrick Roberts who played 45 games in promotion winning Sunderland’s team, or Jay Stansfield who just gone and won the under 21 European championship arent good enough for Paik and Iwata and that’s the problem. Got it.
Yes. They are. Just because they are names doesn’t mean they will automatically work out.
Gray is inconsistent and we’ve signed Roberts about 5 years too late.
It’s all a bit hap hazard. There philosophy this season was tried and tested. If it doesn’t work, it’s not just down to the two centre midfielders
He played 75 mins a game for a championship promotion winning team last season and you’re saying we signed him 5 years too late? How does that work.
Wingers are often inconsistent but when he’s been fit Gray has been one of our better players consistently this season looking a step above
So they are meant to be inconsistent. Ok. Bail them out but the centre midfielders are the problem.
IMO we should have signed younger players with a higher long term ceiling to complement the current squad.
No im saying it tends to happen hence why most teams have 4/5 of them that are constantly getting minutes.
Even so your argument doesn’t hold water as Dimmi and Roberts have been far better than Paik this season.
Your recruitment strategy is also highly contradicted as we went and got a player 4 years younger than Paik who has looked like our MOM when he’s played centre mid, whilst Paik has looked generously and your saying he shouldn’t start over him.
I think our summer recruitment largely has been led by Davies philosophy (who he himself said was largely involved) because I don’t think he trusts young players and doesn’t play them anyways. Leonard being the prime example of this last season.
For me, it should be flat 433 with one of Doyle and Kanya alongside Paik and Iwata. Then he needs to figure out the front three.
It’s all a bit of a mess.
I am so relieved to see someone else say this. I have felt this has been glaringly obvious for most of the season.
Our midfield 2 (whoever plays there) end up getting too stretched which is why teams have been carving us open.
It is very obvious that instead of pissing around with a 10 who basically buddies up with a winger that extra body should be in centre mid to give us a midfield 3.
I’m not in the Davies out camp but i’m in the Davies needs to start addressing issues camp.
It is pretty obvious this could solve quite a few issues and make us a more solid team with better shape.
I’ve said it from day 1. We need an extra body in midfield to shore it up as well as play between the lines and pick up spaces between the midfield and forward line. A more balanced and disciplined role than the ‘10’.
There’s apparently enough quality in a front three of Stansfield, Gray, Roberts, Kyogo, Duck to create and score Shirley
TandyDocky91KESDocky91KESLeithbluesFFS Jay Stansfield was also a regular in that team
Paik is a solid championship player. Neat and tidy on the ball, but without the cutting edge and creativity that Doyle provides
The same Doyle that seems to always look shot after an hour.
One of Davies biggest mistakes has been not figuring out what to do with the ‘10’ role which is either another midfielder or a second striker.
He didn’t need to think that much about it last season as most teams we played were utter rubbish but this season he’s been found wanting and even now not got an answer.
Breaking news, players don’t that don’t play often aren’t match fit.
In other news, water is wet.
I think that’s just the way he is tbh.
Really? Because literally no wolves fan I’ve spoke to and I work with a team of them has said that even when I pointed it out last week and regardless even if he is, play him for 60 mins and sub him, I’d rather make subs at 60 mins being a goal ahead than a goal behind
He’s also apparently a 10 million pound player. Would you sign him permanently next season?
We haven’t got much choice whether we sign him or not now. He’s coming.
Oh dear
KESDocky91KESDocky91KESDocky91KESI dunno, always thought he’s looked head and shoulders even in the championship last time.
I don’t think he or iwata are the problem tbh. It’s the recruitment around them.
I think we had a solid base to bring younger players around like on the wings and at full back and up front.
Klarer and Neuman, Paik and Iwata with more youthful options could have worked.
Now they are lumbered with older players who are either past it or close to passing it and it all feels a bit like a wasted chance to develop something
So premier league winner Demarai Gray who is in the prime of his career or Patrick Roberts who played 45 games in promotion winning Sunderland’s team, or Jay Stansfield who just gone and won the under 21 European championship arent good enough for Paik and Iwata and that’s the problem. Got it.
Yes. They are. Just because they are names doesn’t mean they will automatically work out.
Gray is inconsistent and we’ve signed Roberts about 5 years too late.
It’s all a bit hap hazard. There philosophy this season was tried and tested. If it doesn’t work, it’s not just down to the two centre midfielders
He played 75 mins a game for a championship promotion winning team last season and you’re saying we signed him 5 years too late? How does that work.
Wingers are often inconsistent but when he’s been fit Gray has been one of our better players consistently this season looking a step above
So they are meant to be inconsistent. Ok. Bail them out but the centre midfielders are the problem.
IMO we should have signed younger players with a higher long term ceiling to complement the current squad.
No im saying it tends to happen hence why most teams have 4/5 of them that are constantly getting minutes.
Even so your argument doesn’t hold water as Dimmi and Roberts have been far better than Paik this season.
Your recruitment strategy is also highly contradicted as we went and got a player 4 years younger than Paik who has looked like our MOM when he’s played centre mid, whilst Paik has looked generously and your saying he shouldn’t start over him.
I think our summer recruitment largely has been led by Davies philosophy (who he himself said was largely involved) because I don’t think he trusts young players and doesn’t play them anyways. Leonard being the prime example of this last season.
Comparing players in different positions, silly.
Who has looked like the mom? Doyle or Leonard. Neither have looked a cut above to me. Isn’t it 10 million to sign Doyle next season? How much was Paik? Free transfer wasn’t it.
I’m talking about the lack of clarity on a successful 4 in front of Paik and Iwata. That’s Davies biggest challenge and he’s yet to find a solution.
For me, it should be flat 433 with one of Doyle and Kanya alongside Paik and Iwata. Then he needs to figure out the front three.
It’s all a bit of a mess.
Doyle was clear MOM vs Sheffield Wednesday, you don’t think so? Look if you don’t think Doyle and and Leonard have looked better, albeit in limited opportunities, than Iwata and Paik this year or at the very least thing it’s worth trying. We will agree to disagree because there’s no point carrying on.
Beadle
Sampsted. Klarer. Neumann. Cochrane
Leonard Doyle
Roberts Stansfield. Gray
Kyogo
(Typing on my phone so might not be formatted properly) is the only way for me to go next Saturday (providing gray is fully fit) also swap Stansfield and Kyogo around during the game but it’s actually more of them both almost being up top as a centre mid pushes forward when we’re in possession and play a lot faster getting the ball out asap or running ahead asap.
HughBlue2I agree with all of this. As we don't have an obvious candidate for the 10 role we should be playing 433. It would get the best out of Paik, Iwata and Doyle.KESDocky91KESDocky91KESDocky91KESI dunno, always thought he’s looked head and shoulders even in the championship last time.
I don’t think he or iwata are the problem tbh. It’s the recruitment around them.
I think we had a solid base to bring younger players around like on the wings and at full back and up front.
Klarer and Neuman, Paik and Iwata with more youthful options could have worked.
Now they are lumbered with older players who are either past it or close to passing it and it all feels a bit like a wasted chance to develop something
So premier league winner Demarai Gray who is in the prime of his career or Patrick Roberts who played 45 games in promotion winning Sunderland’s team, or Jay Stansfield who just gone and won the under 21 European championship arent good enough for Paik and Iwata and that’s the problem. Got it.
Yes. They are. Just because they are names doesn’t mean they will automatically work out.
Gray is inconsistent and we’ve signed Roberts about 5 years too late.
It’s all a bit hap hazard. There philosophy this season was tried and tested. If it doesn’t work, it’s not just down to the two centre midfielders
He played 75 mins a game for a championship promotion winning team last season and you’re saying we signed him 5 years too late? How does that work.
Wingers are often inconsistent but when he’s been fit Gray has been one of our better players consistently this season looking a step above
So they are meant to be inconsistent. Ok. Bail them out but the centre midfielders are the problem.
IMO we should have signed younger players with a higher long term ceiling to complement the current squad.
No im saying it tends to happen hence why most teams have 4/5 of them that are constantly getting minutes.
Even so your argument doesn’t hold water as Dimmi and Roberts have been far better than Paik this season.
Your recruitment strategy is also highly contradicted as we went and got a player 4 years younger than Paik who has looked like our MOM when he’s played centre mid, whilst Paik has looked generously and your saying he shouldn’t start over him.
I think our summer recruitment largely has been led by Davies philosophy (who he himself said was largely involved) because I don’t think he trusts young players and doesn’t play them anyways. Leonard being the prime example of this last season.
For me, it should be flat 433 with one of Doyle and Kanya alongside Paik and Iwata. Then he needs to figure out the front three.
It’s all a bit of a mess.
I am so relieved to see someone else say this. I have felt this has been glaringly obvious for most of the season.
Our midfield 2 (whoever plays there) end up getting too stretched which is why teams have been carving us open.
It is very obvious that instead of pissing around with a 10 who basically buddies up with a winger that extra body should be in centre mid to give us a midfield 3.
I’m not in the Davies out camp but i’m in the Davies needs to start addressing issues camp.
It is pretty obvious this could solve quite a few issues and make us a more solid team with better shape.
David XavisPaik has struggled this season, not sure if it’s the system stifling him or he just isn’t as good as we thought. I’d play Doyle and Iwata next week.
I've never thought Paik was as good as others do.
I'm sure someone posted numbers for a recent game where a lot of people thought Paik was average and he was actually high up or top in most categories. He is a regular for South Korea in central midfield, he definitely isn't a big problem for Blues.
BlueSteveHughBlue2I agree with all of this. As we don't have an obvious candidate for the 10 role we should be playing 433. It would get the best out of Paik, Iwata and Doyle.KESDocky91KESDocky91KESDocky91KESI dunno, always thought he’s looked head and shoulders even in the championship last time.
I don’t think he or iwata are the problem tbh. It’s the recruitment around them.
I think we had a solid base to bring younger players around like on the wings and at full back and up front.
Klarer and Neuman, Paik and Iwata with more youthful options could have worked.
Now they are lumbered with older players who are either past it or close to passing it and it all feels a bit like a wasted chance to develop something
So premier league winner Demarai Gray who is in the prime of his career or Patrick Roberts who played 45 games in promotion winning Sunderland’s team, or Jay Stansfield who just gone and won the under 21 European championship arent good enough for Paik and Iwata and that’s the problem. Got it.
Yes. They are. Just because they are names doesn’t mean they will automatically work out.
Gray is inconsistent and we’ve signed Roberts about 5 years too late.
It’s all a bit hap hazard. There philosophy this season was tried and tested. If it doesn’t work, it’s not just down to the two centre midfielders
He played 75 mins a game for a championship promotion winning team last season and you’re saying we signed him 5 years too late? How does that work.
Wingers are often inconsistent but when he’s been fit Gray has been one of our better players consistently this season looking a step above
So they are meant to be inconsistent. Ok. Bail them out but the centre midfielders are the problem.
IMO we should have signed younger players with a higher long term ceiling to complement the current squad.
No im saying it tends to happen hence why most teams have 4/5 of them that are constantly getting minutes.
Even so your argument doesn’t hold water as Dimmi and Roberts have been far better than Paik this season.
Your recruitment strategy is also highly contradicted as we went and got a player 4 years younger than Paik who has looked like our MOM when he’s played centre mid, whilst Paik has looked generously and your saying he shouldn’t start over him.
I think our summer recruitment largely has been led by Davies philosophy (who he himself said was largely involved) because I don’t think he trusts young players and doesn’t play them anyways. Leonard being the prime example of this last season.
For me, it should be flat 433 with one of Doyle and Kanya alongside Paik and Iwata. Then he needs to figure out the front three.
It’s all a bit of a mess.
I am so relieved to see someone else say this. I have felt this has been glaringly obvious for most of the season.
Our midfield 2 (whoever plays there) end up getting too stretched which is why teams have been carving us open.
It is very obvious that instead of pissing around with a 10 who basically buddies up with a winger that extra body should be in centre mid to give us a midfield 3.
I’m not in the Davies out camp but i’m in the Davies needs to start addressing issues camp.
It is pretty obvious this could solve quite a few issues and make us a more solid team with better shape.
we played all three cms yesterday and never looked like scoring
we can't have 10 players with no history of scoring goals starting
David XavisPaik has struggled this season, not sure if it’s the system stifling him or he just isn’t as good as we thought. I’d play Doyle and Iwata next week.
I've never thought Paik was as good as others do.
Amazing how many people here are saying this like this and “I’ve always said…” now when nobody made a single comment like this last season.
JohnPI'm sure someone posted numbers for a recent game where a lot of people thought Paik was average and he was actually high up or top in most categories. He is a regular for South Korea in central midfield, he definitely isn't a big problem for Blues.
Which categories? Passing the ball 5 yards sideways?
TandyDavid XavisPaik has struggled this season, not sure if it’s the system stifling him or he just isn’t as good as we thought. I’d play Doyle and Iwata next week.
I've never thought Paik was as good as others do.
Amazing how many people here are saying this like this and “I’ve always said…” now when nobody made a single comment like this last season.
I did. And the season before.
Docky91KESDocky91KESDocky91KESDocky91KESI dunno, always thought he’s looked head and shoulders even in the championship last time.
I don’t think he or iwata are the problem tbh. It’s the recruitment around them.
I think we had a solid base to bring younger players around like on the wings and at full back and up front.
Klarer and Neuman, Paik and Iwata with more youthful options could have worked.
Now they are lumbered with older players who are either past it or close to passing it and it all feels a bit like a wasted chance to develop something
So premier league winner Demarai Gray who is in the prime of his career or Patrick Roberts who played 45 games in promotion winning Sunderland’s team, or Jay Stansfield who just gone and won the under 21 European championship arent good enough for Paik and Iwata and that’s the problem. Got it.
Yes. They are. Just because they are names doesn’t mean they will automatically work out.
Gray is inconsistent and we’ve signed Roberts about 5 years too late.
It’s all a bit hap hazard. There philosophy this season was tried and tested. If it doesn’t work, it’s not just down to the two centre midfielders
He played 75 mins a game for a championship promotion winning team last season and you’re saying we signed him 5 years too late? How does that work.
Wingers are often inconsistent but when he’s been fit Gray has been one of our better players consistently this season looking a step above
So they are meant to be inconsistent. Ok. Bail them out but the centre midfielders are the problem.
IMO we should have signed younger players with a higher long term ceiling to complement the current squad.
No im saying it tends to happen hence why most teams have 4/5 of them that are constantly getting minutes.
Even so your argument doesn’t hold water as Dimmi and Roberts have been far better than Paik this season.
Your recruitment strategy is also highly contradicted as we went and got a player 4 years younger than Paik who has looked like our MOM when he’s played centre mid, whilst Paik has looked generously and your saying he shouldn’t start over him.
I think our summer recruitment largely has been led by Davies philosophy (who he himself said was largely involved) because I don’t think he trusts young players and doesn’t play them anyways. Leonard being the prime example of this last season.
Comparing players in different positions, silly.
Who has looked like the mom? Doyle or Leonard. Neither have looked a cut above to me. Isn’t it 10 million to sign Doyle next season? How much was Paik? Free transfer wasn’t it.
I’m talking about the lack of clarity on a successful 4 in front of Paik and Iwata. That’s Davies biggest challenge and he’s yet to find a solution.
For me, it should be flat 433 with one of Doyle and Kanya alongside Paik and Iwata. Then he needs to figure out the front three.
It’s all a bit of a mess.
Doyle was clear MOM vs Sheffield Wednesday, you don’t think so? Look if you don’t think Doyle and and Leonard have looked better, albeit in limited opportunities, than Iwata and Paik this year or at the very least thing it’s worth trying. We will agree to disagree because there’s no point carrying on.
Beadle
Sampsted. Klarer. Neumann. Cochrane
Leonard Doyle
Roberts Stansfield. Gray
Kyogo
(Typing on my phone so might not be formatted properly) is the only way for me to go next Saturday (providing gray is fully fit) also swap Stansfield and Kyogo around during the game but it’s actually more of them both almost being up top as a centre mid pushes forward when we’re in possession and play a lot faster getting the ball out asap or running ahead asap.
That's the team I would pick atm.
TandyDavid XavisPaik has struggled this season, not sure if it’s the system stifling him or he just isn’t as good as we thought. I’d play Doyle and Iwata next week.
I've never thought Paik was as good as others do.
Amazing how many people here are saying this like this and “I’ve always said…” now when nobody made a single comment like this last season.
I was thinking the same thing, I don’t remember this many people agreeing with me when I made a thread about it last year.
BluestainesDocky91KESDocky91KESDocky91KESDocky91KESI dunno, always thought he’s looked head and shoulders even in the championship last time.
I don’t think he or iwata are the problem tbh. It’s the recruitment around them.
I think we had a solid base to bring younger players around like on the wings and at full back and up front.
Klarer and Neuman, Paik and Iwata with more youthful options could have worked.
Now they are lumbered with older players who are either past it or close to passing it and it all feels a bit like a wasted chance to develop something
So premier league winner Demarai Gray who is in the prime of his career or Patrick Roberts who played 45 games in promotion winning Sunderland’s team, or Jay Stansfield who just gone and won the under 21 European championship arent good enough for Paik and Iwata and that’s the problem. Got it.
Yes. They are. Just because they are names doesn’t mean they will automatically work out.
Gray is inconsistent and we’ve signed Roberts about 5 years too late.
It’s all a bit hap hazard. There philosophy this season was tried and tested. If it doesn’t work, it’s not just down to the two centre midfielders
He played 75 mins a game for a championship promotion winning team last season and you’re saying we signed him 5 years too late? How does that work.
Wingers are often inconsistent but when he’s been fit Gray has been one of our better players consistently this season looking a step above
So they are meant to be inconsistent. Ok. Bail them out but the centre midfielders are the problem.
IMO we should have signed younger players with a higher long term ceiling to complement the current squad.
No im saying it tends to happen hence why most teams have 4/5 of them that are constantly getting minutes.
Even so your argument doesn’t hold water as Dimmi and Roberts have been far better than Paik this season.
Your recruitment strategy is also highly contradicted as we went and got a player 4 years younger than Paik who has looked like our MOM when he’s played centre mid, whilst Paik has looked generously and your saying he shouldn’t start over him.
I think our summer recruitment largely has been led by Davies philosophy (who he himself said was largely involved) because I don’t think he trusts young players and doesn’t play them anyways. Leonard being the prime example of this last season.
Comparing players in different positions, silly.
Who has looked like the mom? Doyle or Leonard. Neither have looked a cut above to me. Isn’t it 10 million to sign Doyle next season? How much was Paik? Free transfer wasn’t it.
I’m talking about the lack of clarity on a successful 4 in front of Paik and Iwata. That’s Davies biggest challenge and he’s yet to find a solution.
For me, it should be flat 433 with one of Doyle and Kanya alongside Paik and Iwata. Then he needs to figure out the front three.
It’s all a bit of a mess.
Doyle was clear MOM vs Sheffield Wednesday, you don’t think so? Look if you don’t think Doyle and and Leonard have looked better, albeit in limited opportunities, than Iwata and Paik this year or at the very least thing it’s worth trying. We will agree to disagree because there’s no point carrying on.
Beadle
Sampsted. Klarer. Neumann. Cochrane
Leonard Doyle
Roberts Stansfield. Gray
Kyogo
(Typing on my phone so might not be formatted properly) is the only way for me to go next Saturday (providing gray is fully fit) also swap Stansfield and Kyogo around during the game but it’s actually more of them both almost being up top as a centre mid pushes forward when we’re in possession and play a lot faster getting the ball out asap or running ahead asap.
That's the team I would pick atm.
Yeah that team won’t get stretched.
Mental some of the takes here.