bluearmyfactionMoody1980However, I would need more clarity over the 1956 entry, as it seems it was an invite to the city, rather than club. Are there team sheets etc that you can find for the matches, to check who played? The Rough Guide to Football has it that it was indeed Birmingham City playing the games, and they are pretty good. But I am always happy to right a wrong.
I can confirm it was Blues only. Indeed I can even give you a source. Sports Argus (our Saturday pink), 3 September 1955:
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First couple of games were the games at Inter and Zagreb in May 1956, and we took a travelling party of 15. Mostly the Cup final side plus Jackie Badham, plus reserves to replace Jeff Hall and Gordon Astall (on an FA tour) and Trevor Smith (doing his National Service). (The joke in the article about reaching the Cup final was probably meant to be sarcastic...)
One thing about the initial Football League and missing out on it - we didn't apply. Indeed we only did so in 1892 when the Football Alliance was being absorbed as Division 2. The team that missed out was Birmingham St George's, who were by then playing in Smethwick, who were 2 votes away from replacing Notts County in 1889. They had backing from the Mitchells & Butlers brewery, so had money, but low crowds.
This is brilliant. Thank you.
Re the Football League, I guess it’s portrayed that way, because Villa had a lot of say & makes it a more compelling story that Small Heath were ‘overlooked’.
Millwall were invited in 1894 to join Division Two, which is the year Small Heath went up. The FL wanted a London side & Millwall were the most obvious choice, believe it or not. The club was at the heart of the London docklands, played at the Athletic Grounds, which was very decent for the time & got good crowds. Yet the board had their own ideas & wanted to start their own professional league (the Southern League) with support from Woolwich Arsenal. They figured London derbies would be more profitable than travelling to northern outposts and hosting the likes of Darwen.
However, Arsenal, a club on the fringes of London, playing at a former pig farm with poor support, saw an opportunity and went behind Millwall’s back. The rest, as they say, is history!
Have never trusted that bunch of entitled winkers
tebilyWorcsBluesOkay, did any of us get the Meaning Vile souvenir edition of the 60th anniversary of ‘Blues European adventure??’
No? Nor me, because they didn’t print one!!
How many times have you seen souvenirs in the shop, items in the programme, all commemorating Blues being ‘European pioneers’ & such like?
Zero ……
I think in modern parlance it’s known as an’Urban myth’ 😉
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So why were programmes from the time referring to Birmingham City?
More importantly why is that one of the coolest programme designs I've ever seen.
Arsenal had of course turned pro in 1891. First team in the south to do so. Gave them a huge advantage.
Those who wanted to stay a works side formed the Royal Ordnance FC. They didn’t last long…
WorcsBluesNo desire to be a pedant or such like, but, the European ‘adventure’ in the early 60’s was NOT under the banner of Birmingham City.
UEFA was trying to get a tournament off the ground as a stable mate to the European Cup, it was given the title of the European Inter City Fairs Cup, comprising of teams from a number of Cities around Europe including Rome, Barcelona, Paris & London, plus two others & it was by invitation only.
That’s where the problems for UEFA began, to try & compile a team to represent London was, well an impossible task as there were numerous ‘issues’ between the clubs from the smoke as to how many players they could each release for this new European adventure, how would it be managed? What would happen if key players were injured? Not to mention some sort of compensation for such occurrences.
Given all this, UEFA withdrew the offer to London, & offered it to Birmingham.
No problem, chance to shine a light on the place in the middle of the country which didn’t get that much exposure.
So ‘Birmingham’ took part in the tournament with representatives from B6, B9 & B71.
It’s a funny old game. 😎
So the highlighted bit above is bullshit though...
"It commenced in 1955 and finished in 1958. Cities that entered teams included Barcelona, Basel, Birmingham, Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Vienna, Cologne, Lausanne, Leipzig, London, Milan, and Zagreb. The first competition included a group stage and also featured some city representative teams instead of clubs. The eventual finalists were the city of Barcelona, dubbed Barcelona XI, and a London XI."
ALSO:
From the club's own history section on bcfc.com:
"Additional endeavours included a new Main Stand constructed midway through the 1950s and an inaugural floodlit match versus Borussia Dortmund in 1956. That game ended 3-3 and was a further milestone in the Club’s continent-wide tradition. Earlier that year, Blues had become the first English club side to compete in European competition, beating Inter Milan on the way to a semi-final against FC Barcelona in the Fairs Cup.
Such pioneering exploits and achievement was followed up in 1960 when Blues became the first side from England to reach a European final, losing out to their previous last-four nemesis’ before reaching the showpiece event again in 1961 where it was this time AS Roma who pipped them to the trophy."
CharcytebilyWorcsBluesOkay, did any of us get the Meaning Vile souvenir edition of the 60th anniversary of ‘Blues European adventure??’
No? Nor me, because they didn’t print one!!
How many times have you seen souvenirs in the shop, items in the programme, all commemorating Blues being ‘European pioneers’ & such like?
Zero ……
I think in modern parlance it’s known as an’Urban myth’ 😉
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So why were programmes from the time referring to Birmingham City?
More importantly why is that one of the coolest programme designs I've ever seen.
Great, isn't it? I love a lot of the design styles of that era.
bluearmyfactionArsenal had of course turned pro in 1891. First team in the south to do so. Gave them a huge advantage.
Those who wanted to stay a works side formed the Royal Ordnance FC. They didn’t last long…
'of course'
TamCharcytebilyWorcsBluesOkay, did any of us get the Meaning Vile souvenir edition of the 60th anniversary of ‘Blues European adventure??’
No? Nor me, because they didn’t print one!!
How many times have you seen souvenirs in the shop, items in the programme, all commemorating Blues being ‘European pioneers’ & such like?
Zero ……
I think in modern parlance it’s known as an’Urban myth’ 😉
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So why were programmes from the time referring to Birmingham City?
More importantly why is that one of the coolest programme designs I've ever seen.
Great, isn't it? I love a lot of the design styles of that era.
It's genuinely very good.
H bomb asked who our new rival should be a while ago. It sounds like we just need to reignite our Barcelona beef.
H bomb asked who our new rival should be a while ago. It sounds like we just need to reignite our Barcelona beef.
Fire up that asada.
tebilyWorcsBluesOkay, did any of us get the Meaning Vile souvenir edition of the 60th anniversary of ‘Blues European adventure??’
No? Nor me, because they didn’t print one!!
How many times have you seen souvenirs in the shop, items in the programme, all commemorating Blues being ‘European pioneers’ & such like?
Zero ……
I think in modern parlance it’s known as an’Urban myth’ 😉
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So why were programmes from the time referring to Birmingham City?
More importantly why is that one of the coolest programme designs I've ever seen.
I've got that framed on my office wall. I don't know why but I loved it when I saw it too.
bluearmyfactionArsenal had of course turned pro in 1891. First team in the south to do so. Gave them a huge advantage.
Those who wanted to stay a works side formed the Royal Ordnance FC. They didn’t last long…
They did, but Millwall soon followed in 1893 and that is why the FL likely sent the invite to Millwall, rather than Arsenal. Millwall were the much better supported and equipped side. Besides, Arsenal were barely in London at the time. Whereas Millwall was in its very heart.
Got one.7 quid. Cheers.
40 odd thousand there. More proof that the old days were best.