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Birmingham City and Taylor Gardner-Hickman update amid transfer talks

Birmingham Mail 06:00, Fri 5 Dec

El Mayor   -3
Replying to Nikola Zigic   08:13, Fri 5 Dec
Nikola Zigic
Million quid please.

Then £5m for Doyle in Jan on a fiver year deal.

Break even PSR.

Job done.

Surely we’d be better off fixing one of the holes in the squad than trying to sign Doyle for a price they ain’t gonna sell him for?
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Nikola Zigic   -2
Replying to El Mayor   08:15, Fri 5 Dec
Oh is it not a £5m fixed fee then?

My thoughts were that if it was, you could trigger it before they get relegated and want to keep him.
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El Mayor   -2
Replying to Nikola Zigic   08:17, Fri 5 Dec
Nikola Zigic
Oh is it not a £5m fixed fee then?

My thoughts were that if it was, you could trigger it before they get relegated and want to keep him.

Well, it’s 10m for a start (according to the reports) and it’s contingent on us being promoted.
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Snoop   -3
Replying to El Mayor   08:27, Fri 5 Dec
El Mayor
Nikola Zigic
Million quid please.

Then £5m for Doyle in Jan on a fiver year deal.

Break even PSR.

Job done.

Surely we’d be better off fixing one of the holes in the squad than trying to sign Doyle for a price they ain’t gonna sell him for?

Agreed, much more important to get some good defensive cover in. And uf we're going to spend on CM in this window then hopefully it would be on someone with more physicality than Doyle.

We're either going to get Doyle in the summer or not, I'd rather leave it till then.
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Snoop   -1
Replying to Nikola Zigic   08:28, Fri 5 Dec
Nikola Zigic
What was all that about £5m on here?

Wasn't that just one report?

And it was from a Wolves point of view, so possibly how much they get after the Man City sell on. Or just made up...
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Rags   -1
Replying to Snoop   08:45, Fri 5 Dec
Nikola Zigic
What was all that about £5m on here?

Wasn't that just one report?

And it was from a Wolves point of view, so possibly how much they get after the Man City sell on. Or just made up...

Wolves signed Doyle for £4.3m ... Manchester City have a 50% sell-on clause cut on any profit over that. Hence why Doyle's loan cost is so high - Wolves need to make as much money on him as possible from the loan to then perhaps be able to lower the eventual transfer cost - making Man City's 50% cut less.

Theoretically speaking - and this is the extreme - if we have already agreed a price with Wolves of, say, £8 million and paid them £3.7million for a one season loan and we then bought him for £4.3Million Man City would get nothing and Wolves would have a profit of £3.7 million.

If they had just sold him to us for £8million in the first place then Wolves would have got (£8m - £4.3m) / 2 = £1.85m profit .... and that's why they wouldn't sell him to us outright to start with.

I don't know the details - we may just buy him for £4.3 million and then pay £3.7 million for some random 16 year old Wolves schoolboy.

Fact is - no-one outside the two clubs knows
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BrokerBlue   -1
Replying to El Mayor   08:51, Fri 5 Dec
El Mayor
Nikola Zigic
Oh is it not a £5m fixed fee then?

My thoughts were that if it was, you could trigger it before they get relegated and want to keep him.

Well, it’s 10m for a start (according to the reports) and it’s contingent on us being promoted.

Seems there’s lots of unknowns in all of this. Could it be that we are only obligated to buy if we are promoted, but we could still buy voluntarily if we are only Championship, for instance?
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Nikola Zigic   -2
Replying to Snoop   08:55, Fri 5 Dec
I dunno mate, I've not seen much news this week as I've been away. Just saw a load on X happy that we had a £5m obligation to buy.

I don't think you'll see him here next season if wolves come down and we're not promoted, they'd be mad not to keep him.
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Senor_Droolcup   0
Replying to Rags   08:57, Fri 5 Dec
Rags
Nikola Zigic
What was all that about £5m on here?

Wasn't that just one report?

And it was from a Wolves point of view, so possibly how much they get after the Man City sell on. Or just made up...

Wolves signed Doyle for £4.3m ... Manchester City have a 50% sell-on clause cut on any profit over that. Hence why Doyle's loan cost is so high - Wolves need to make as much money on him as possible from the loan to then perhaps be able to lower the eventual transfer cost - making Man City's 50% cut less.

Theoretically speaking - and this is the extreme - if we have already agreed a price with Wolves of, say, £8 million and paid them £3.7million for a one season loan and we then bought him for £4.3Million Man City would get nothing and Wolves would have a profit of £3.7 million.

If they had just sold him to us for £8million in the first place then Wolves would have got (£8m - £4.3m) / 2 = £1.85m profit .... and that's why they wouldn't sell him to us outright to start with.

I don't know the details - we may just buy him for £4.3 million and then pay £3.7 million for some random 16 year old Wolves schoolboy.

Fact is - no-one outside the two clubs knows

Your last sentence is the most important here, but I'd be amazed if Man City agreed to a sell on clause where loan fees weren't included. Most clubs, especially those competing at the top of the pyramid, are too commercially savvy to overlook such things now.
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BrokerBlue   1
Replying to BrokerBlue   08:59, Fri 5 Dec
Bringing in £3-£5M across Dion,TGH and WW would be a really great result, as would £3-£5M across the above, Robinson and -Cashin.
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