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Miguelagonn

God does exist.

He may not exist for you or me, but he exists for others. Therefore he exists. It's simple.

With all due respect that's some pretty mental logic.

I think there's value in the sentiment, although I'd word it differently - since the existence of God can neither be proved nor disproved, the beliefs of either side should be respected. I don't believe in God but it costs me nothing to respect the beliefs of those that do, and vice versa. :)

Dogmatic religious beliefs have caused untold harm in myriad ways throughout history, so I’ll save my respect for something else, ta

It's not even the belief in some divine presence, it's the stuff that goes along with it. Original sin for instance is a particularly nauseous doctrine and predestination is positively malignant.

Fat Buddha OBE

Dogmatic religious beliefs have caused untold harm in myriad ways throughout history, so I’ll save my respect for something else, ta

Here's the thing, right - the problem for me there is "dogma" rather than "religious beliefs". People do shitty things for all kinds of reasons, in all kinds of names - that includes religion, but that no more accurately represents religious belief than, say, bricking the windows of an opposition fan bus accurately represents the club. People do really, really shit things in the name of religion - much more important than that, people do fantastic, incredible things in the name of religion. Even as someone who doesn't believe in God, I'd be far more inclined to think that the fantastic, incredible things are much more representative of what I imagine His views would be than the really, really shit things. :)

Yeah, the likes of Stalin and Mao didn't do much for the cause of atheism...

Fat Buddha OBE

Dogmatic religious beliefs have caused untold harm in myriad ways throughout history, so I’ll save my respect for something else, ta

Have you got anything to say about the untold good also or are you just selective in your reasoning and thinking.

Bluesince62 F.E.A.

Yes, I know that a bolt through the brain is much cleaner than throat slitting. AFAIK there is no law saying that halal kills must be stunned first - it's been many years since I was in the trade so maybe it's changed. Stunning would help - it's still not great though.

The cows are exceptionally grateful for your care and consideration for their wellbeing.

😂

Just answering the end of the thread and not you specifically.

The having some electrolytes etc at sunset for those players (many of whom I think maybe take on water pre match as it’s a little more accepted) is just a nice thing to do isn’t it? I don’t think it equates to legalising suicidal Jihad. I think being nice to everyone is kind of cool. I think if you’re nice and kind of tolerant the return for that generally is reciprocated by everyone as niceness is nice.

I’ve also read people say that they are allowed to eat as they get special dispensation as elite sports people and this is indeed true to some. It’s legal to do it whatever, the reality is it’s their personal choice between the individual and their God and the scriptures they choose to believe. Its not what I believe but doesn’t mean I’m right, despite me usually being right.

We can ban it I’m sure but I’m not sure that ends with a more positive experience of the football.

I understand people have gripes with the wider issues with the faith in general and whilst I don’t agree with many of those gripes, understand many and have varying degrees of agreement with others I just don’t think this particular situation is the hill to be dying on to make the point. It’s not nice, it’s antagonistic and angry, and creates more anger, if the players were doing it to wind people up then fine but they really are evidently not doing that. They are living the life they believe is right and not hurting anyone.

‘ people like you are losing the argument you switch to divisive mode. It's very common on here, probably due to the amount of left wing posters’

You can’t argue that’s someone switches divisive to mode and then say ‘people like you’ and ‘due to the amount of left wing voters’.

Fat Buddha OBE

Dogmatic religious beliefs have caused untold harm in myriad ways throughout history, so I’ll save my respect for something else, ta

Have you got anything to say about the untold good also or are you just selective in your reasoning and thinking.

You don't have to believe in an invented deity to do untold good. And no I don’t have anything to say.

[www.newsweek.com]

Fat Buddha OBE

Fat Buddha OBE

Dogmatic religious beliefs have caused untold harm in myriad ways throughout history, so I’ll save my respect for something else, ta

Have you got anything to say about the untold good also or are you just selective in your reasoning and thinking.

You don't have to believe in an invented deity to do untold good. And no I don’t have anything to say.

[www.newsweek.com]

Your quoting an article fuelled by the anecdoates/made up ramblings of Michael Weinstein, a known crank. You do know that, don't you?

Miguelagonn

God does exist.

He may not exist for you or me, but he exists for others. Therefore he exists. It's simple.

With all due respect that's some pretty mental logic.

Or a way of accepting others' beliefs.

Miguelagonn

God does exist.

He may not exist for you or me, but he exists for others. Therefore he exists. It's simple.

Are we applying the same argument to the Tooth Fairy or the blood libel?

Yes, and all the phobias. They only exist for certain people too.

Phobias are backed by medical evidence.

Religion is backed by made up stories in the bible/tanakh/quran.