Replying to WR Blue   17:55, Mon 2 Mar
WR Blue
Phillystine
Forgive me, but I really can't wrap my head around why players taking a water break for a couple of minutes is such an attack on English culture that it amounts to bullying or coercion. I genuinely cannot understand why anyone would be moved to booing their own team for it.

That's why I gave the wider context in my first reply to you - people are digging their heels in over the state, religion, protected minority issues etc. They've had enough of the two-tier society and I think they feel that conceding any more ground over anything at all is really not the right approach.

I used the words coercion and and bullying generally in a hypothetical/rhetorical question. I wasn't suggesting that they were the best words to use to describe what is going on regarding the water breaks. They relate to the bigger picture and I also think that the booing is linked to the bigger picture.

Like I said before - this is your belief system. I'm not going to get into arguing with it, but I find it as tricky to get my head around as devout religious belief.
Replying to Bluesince62 F.E.A.   17:56, Mon 2 Mar
It's out of order to wear a 'I Love Jesus' T-shirt underneath their jersey? lmao. If it affects their health and wellbeing a bit of water and dates won't help them so that's nonsense too.
Replying to Phillystine   17:59, Mon 2 Mar
Yes, as it all comes under the umbrella of religion. I personally don't care if they have a 2 minute water break.
Replying to Bluesince62 F.E.A.   18:12, Mon 2 Mar
Carlos Costly
Why does the F.A. ban religious messaging on kits but allow breaks in play for religious reasons? Surely both should be allowed or neither allowed?

One is partisan and clearly out of order, the other is just ensuring the safety and well being of athletes who have religious beliefs that can impact them physically. I'm not sure your comparison works too well, tbh.

It isn’t anything to with safety it is to do with belief. It signifies some sort of holy bollocks and doesn’t really matter.
Replying to Carlos Costly   18:16, Mon 2 Mar
Carlos Costly
It's out of order to wear a 'I Love Jesus' T-shirt underneath their jersey? lmao. If it affects their health and wellbeing a bit of water and dates won't help them so that's nonsense too.

Yes, totally. Religion and politics in football are supposedly no go - and I agree with that. Ramadan totally different, do you want to see a player keel over because he's dehydrated? not sure I do.
Personally, I think the clubs need to exercise a bit more care here as well - just don't play the effers if they are not physically prepared - that'd stop all the nonsense straight away.
Up the feckin Blues
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Replying to Bluesince62 F.E.A.   18:39, Mon 2 Mar
Bluesince62 F.E.A.
Personally, I think the clubs need to exercise a bit more care here as well - just don't play the effers if they are not physically prepared - that'd stop all the nonsense straight away.

A lot of Muslim players will come from Africa, and will play in tournaments like AFCON which is played in winter (for example Ait Nouri and Marmoush who were in the City team at Elland Rd on Saturday).

I think a lot of clubs would be very hesitant to sign players at all if they knew they were effectively going to be unavailable for two months of the second half of a season, which could happen evert two years as AFCON is biannual.
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Replying to Phillystine   18:48, Mon 2 Mar
Phillystine
Carlos Costly
How are they?

Do you think that a shirt with "Allahu Akbar" or "Jesus is the son of God" written over the middle is the same thing as all players taking a two-minute drinks break?

Comparing apples and oranges.

All players forced to wear 'Jesus is the son of God' to cater to the whims of a tiny religious minority vs all players forced to take an extra food/drink break to cater to the whims of a tiny religious minority is a more equal comparison and highlights the problem.

If what people are doing doesn't stop play for ALL players and ALL fans (EG a couple of them wearing religious motifs) that is entirely different to forcing everybody (players, thousands of fans, TV crews etc) to have to take a break from the game to please a tiny minority of people with bizarre religious rituals.
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Replying to Phillystine   18:58, Mon 2 Mar
Phillystine
Like I said before - this is your belief system. I'm not going to get into arguing with it, but I find it as tricky to get my head around as devout religious belief.

I don't think it is my belief system. I think it's your ability to get the point.

A quick example - the percentage of meat sold in the UK that is halal is way higher than the percentage of muslims in the UK. This is just one single example of the way that things are working out in the UK. It's a separate discussion regarding who is primarily responsible for things ending up being unfairly weighted in this manner, but it's irrelevant to the point I was making - which is that this example is representative of many other things in the UK and many people feel that it is time to draw a line in the sand regarding this overreach. Not because of hate or bigotry or anything of the sort, but for the future of some of the most important things in this country. The recent by-election is another ratcheting up of this feeling.

I believe the issue at Leeds is deeply linked to the issues mentioned above.
WR Blue   -1
Replying to ZamBlues   19:00, Mon 2 Mar
ZamBlues
10/10 for brevity

(0/10 for substance)

There's no pleasing some people (in a 'Brian of Nazareth' voice).
Replying to WR Blue   19:04, Mon 2 Mar
I understand the points you are trying to make. I just don't see any point in getting into a debate over those aspects when our worldviews on them are likely to be completely irreconcilable. It won't make either of us feel any better.
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Replying to Phillystine   19:07, Mon 2 Mar
Phillystine
I understand the points you are trying to make. I just don't see any point in getting into a debate over those aspects when our worldviews on them are likely to be completely irreconcilable. It won't make either of us feel any better.

it was clear that our worldviews are completely irreconcilable on many things the other day when you stated your personal and political standpoint on certain issues. But that wouldn't stop me trying to discuss topics with you, I can learn from people I completely disagree with. I'm not discussing these things here to feel better.

But, each to their own and I wish you a nice day back 👍
Pondo   -1
Replying to WR Blue   19:17, Mon 2 Mar
WR Blue
Phillystine
Do you then start booing our team for taking that break? Do you decide to boycott the club for agreeing to it?

Possibly to the first. No to the boycott - as I mentioned, that's a losing tactic.

Phillystine
If people do boo, and the game continues after that, do you think the club or those players will change their arrangements?

I can't predict the outcome. But what I do know is that when a lot of things are stacked against you, standing up for what you believe in and carefully selecting the most effective way to voice your feelings is a worthwhile approach. If it's viable, voting with your wallet is often very effective but as mentioned in this instance it's a losing strategy.
Booing Muslims players taking a 2 minute break is a belief, for you?
Yes ball games.
Pondo   -4
Replying to WR Blue   19:19, Mon 2 Mar
WR Blue
Phillystine
Like I said before - this is your belief system. I'm not going to get into arguing with it, but I find it as tricky to get my head around as devout religious belief.

I don't think it is my belief system. I think it's your ability to get the point.

A quick example - the percentage of meat sold in the UK that is halal is way higher than the percentage of muslims in the UK. This is just one single example of the way that things are working out in the UK. It's a separate discussion regarding who is primarily responsible for things ending up being unfairly weighted in this manner, but it's irrelevant to the point I was making - which is that this example is representative of many other things in the UK and many people feel that it is time to draw a line in the sand regarding this overreach. Not because of hate or bigotry or anything of the sort, but for the future of some of the most important things in this country. The recent by-election is another ratcheting up of this feeling.

I believe the issue at Leeds is deeply linked to the issues mentioned above.
Who cares whether meat is halal or not?
Yes ball games.