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Surely it's still open to the same amount of mistakes, it's the same line, in a different place. The angle of someone's big toe will still decide if the goal stands or not

Surely it's still open to the same amount of mistakes, it's the same line, in a different place. The angle of someone's big toe will still decide if the goal stands or not

I think the tech might be better at using daylight as the yardstick- where as at the minute it is deciding on the frills of someone's shirt.

So being 2 foot plus in front of the defennder but onside because your leg is outstretched backwards when the ball is played is better?
Behave. The laws are fine. How they are interpreted is the issue.,
Like it will be when you have 5 seconds to take a throw in or goal kick once the ball is in the throwers hand or spotted for a goal kick. Players will just take an age to get to pick the ball up for a throw in and a goal kick.
The being able to take a goal kick from either side of the 6 yard box instead of the side it went out is the biggest example of meddling by divs in suits.
It’s scandalous that law hasn’t been reversed

Gotcha, it will still regularly come down to those margins though, they'll still have to decide where an arm ends and a shoulder starts, the frills of someone's shirt, so it's not strictly 'daylight', it's 'space between body parts that are included in an offside decision'

That IS the only issue - players will stand with an arm out. I did say i was open to being convinced otherwise.

Changes nothing.

If implemented we will have 8min VAR checks deciding if there's 1mm of space between players, or if they are actually in line.

Just moves the lines to a different area 🤷‍♂️

And it's not necessarily 1mm of space between players, because an attackers arms don't count, so it many cases it wont be daylight at all, it'll require manual lines to be drawn on peoples arms/shoulders

Gotcha, it will still regularly come down to those margins though, they'll still have to decide where an arm ends and a shoulder starts, the frills of someone's shirt, so it's not strictly 'daylight', it's 'space between body parts that are included in an offside decision'

The best way to express how i feel out it is by saying - yes both the current system and the new idea have their issues.

I think the problem for me is i can't wrap my head around someone's toe being 2.4cm in front of another player classifying as an unfair advantage.

Could we not remove the idea of body parts and do 'daylight between torso' ? removing the limbs altogether ?

Could we not remove the idea of body parts and do 'daylight between torso' ? removing the limbs altogether ?

The Jeffrey Dahmer rule

Could we not remove the idea of body parts and do 'daylight between torso' ? removing the limbs altogether ?

The Jeffrey Dahmer rule

LOL....if you like 🤣

daylight between torso gives us about a foot of give either way. Returns football back to the glory days of 'peeling off the shoulder' etc.

None of this crap where we deny a bloke a goal because he was an inch ahead.
Whatever the rule, it has to take into account that this is just nonsense.

You won't see daylight though because the camera won't be perfectly aligned. There might be daylight between their bodies but if they're running, one of the striker's legs will be behind him so instead of looking at the striker's toe, we'll be drawing lines to measure if the striker's heel was alongside the defender or not.

They say "it won't be decided based on a body part anymore" and then show a picture highlighting that it will.

All this will do is make defending harder which will likely result in defences dropping deeper to counter it.

You won't see daylight though because the camera won't be perfectly aligned. There might be daylight between their bodies but if they're running, one of the striker's legs will be behind him so instead of looking at the striker's toe, we'll be drawing lines to measure if the striker's heel was alongside the defender or not.

All this will do is make defending harder which will likely result in defences dropping deeper to counter it.

Yeah but i did change my mind to torso only.

Im not disagreeing with you, it definitely has issues but i think if we go from arms and legs, to torso only as the measure point, it removes the heel / flailing hand scenario. But everyone has to be wearing skintight lycra for this to come off!

StechyBlue

Gotcha, it will still regularly come down to those margins though, they'll still have to decide where an arm ends and a shoulder starts, the frills of someone's shirt, so it's not strictly 'daylight', it's 'space between body parts that are included in an offside decision'

The best way to express how i feel out it is by saying - yes both the current system and the new idea have their issues.

I think the problem for me is i can't wrap my head around someone's toe being 2.4cm in front of another player classifying as an unfair advantage.

Could we not remove the idea of body parts and do 'daylight between torso' ? removing the limbs altogether ?

I suspect there might be legal issues around removing their limbs but happy for it to be tried out on Villa...

I agree though. The position of limbs at the moment the ball is played is irrelevant almost everytime.

Snoop

I suspect there might be legal issues around removing their limbs but happy for it to be tried out on Villa...

I'm pretty sure Tyrone Mings has already had his feet surgically removed and reattached on the wrong legs, so there is precedent I suppose...

it should be that if the body part you score with is onside then it’s a goal,

What if you aren't the one who scores.

What if its because you are stood in front of the keeper?