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Replying to ThekombiChronicles
12:52, Mon 4 May
Let the links commence
Summer Transfer Window 26
ThekombiChronicles 18:35, Sat 2 May
Replying to HughBlue2
13:06, Mon 4 May
HughBlue2I think the fact we potentially need so much change again is absolutely damning of our transfer business in the last couple of years and the people involved in the decision making process.
And yet despite that we've apparently under-achieved to end up 10th. Which clearly means we have assembled an excellent squad
I don't think it's been as bad as said. Neumann, Vicente, Priske, Solis, Osman, Gray, Wagner, Roberts have all been excellent additions imo. And BOS has looked better the last few months
Weve had a few duds of course, but no clubs have 100% hit rates. And even the ones who haven't worked (Doyle, arguably Beadle, Kyogo) on paper were seen as good deals at the time
Replying to Leithblues
13:30, Mon 4 May
Look at the ones you’ve said have done well and see which window they were signed in.
Then to the bad add Robinson, Cashin, Panzo?
Then to the bad add Robinson, Cashin, Panzo?
Replying to Rab C Nesbitt
14:27, Mon 4 May
The summer window was clearly botched; on paper a lot of it seemed exciting, but I think - in hindsight - an emphasis on building on what worked in league one, coupled with committing big wages on Dimi and Kyogo, left us on the back foot, particularly from a physical point of view and at that back end of the window when we were scratching around the plug gaps.
January was a course correction, and if this summer follows a similar trajectory, I’m willing to suggest lessons have been learned and we don’t necessarily need to rip up the entire recruitment department.
January was a course correction, and if this summer follows a similar trajectory, I’m willing to suggest lessons have been learned and we don’t necessarily need to rip up the entire recruitment department.
Bagel
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Replying to Holdsworth_MaraSonner
14:30, Mon 4 May
Holdsworth_MaraSonnerPalmerliam11Wouldnt suprise me, people have suggested we was after him before. What we need imo in that 10 role
I’d be very surprised if the 10 isn’t Stroeykens from Anderlecht providing he’s fit. Was very close in the summer and very close again in January.
And from what I’ve heard they’re very keen for no more than 6/7 max incoming over the summer, which sounds about right. They don’t want a massive rebuild again.
Surely Stroeykens would be a bit outlay. Figured we'd be a bit more stringent this summer
Replying to Bagel
14:36, Mon 4 May
Just checked online, 1 goal in 23 appearances albeit only started 7. Seems to have had a fair few injuries for a 21 year old though. [www.transfermarkt.com]
Replying to Bagel
14:40, Mon 4 May
BagelHoldsworth_MaraSonnerPalmerliam11Wouldnt suprise me, people have suggested we was after him before. What we need imo in that 10 role
I’d be very surprised if the 10 isn’t Stroeykens from Anderlecht providing he’s fit. Was very close in the summer and very close again in January.
And from what I’ve heard they’re very keen for no more than 6/7 max incoming over the summer, which sounds about right. They don’t want a massive rebuild again.
Surely Stroeykens would be a bit outlay. Figured we'd be a bit more stringent this summer
The question also is, why wasnt there a plan B / C / D etc for similar players that play the same way in the same position at a similar age range with the same upside.
We cant just have one plan A / Idea and then if that doesnt work out go onto something completely different (Ducksch or Kanya).
Replying to BigBarryBoozer
14:45, Mon 4 May
Exactly 👍
Replying to Rab C Nesbitt
14:54, Mon 4 May
It's true, we had a fantastic January in response to a very middling summer.
Hopefully we can read into that and say we've gotten better at identifying what's important, and what we need. That's the optimist in me sneaking out
Time will tell of course
Hopefully we can read into that and say we've gotten better at identifying what's important, and what we need. That's the optimist in me sneaking out
Time will tell of course
Replying to Leithblues
15:41, Mon 4 May
LeithbluesHughBlue2I think the fact we potentially need so much change again is absolutely damning of our transfer business in the last couple of years and the people involved in the decision making process.
And yet despite that we've apparently under-achieved to end up 10th. Which clearly means we have assembled an excellent squad
I don't think it's been as bad as said. Neumann, Vicente, Priske, Solis, Osman, Gray, Wagner, Roberts have all been excellent additions imo. And BOS has looked better the last few months
Weve had a few duds of course, but no clubs have 100% hit rates. And even the ones who haven't worked (Doyle, arguably Beadle, Kyogo) on paper were seen as good deals at the time
My point is around the sheer amount of permanent signings we have made in the last 2 seasons.
Yes there have been some good signings, there’s also been some shambolic ones.
It’s still not sustainable to be buying and selling this many players every season.
El Mayor
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Replying to BigBarryBoozer
15:53, Mon 4 May
BigBarryBoozerBagelHoldsworth_MaraSonnerPalmerliam11Wouldnt suprise me, people have suggested we was after him before. What we need imo in that 10 role
I’d be very surprised if the 10 isn’t Stroeykens from Anderlecht providing he’s fit. Was very close in the summer and very close again in January.
And from what I’ve heard they’re very keen for no more than 6/7 max incoming over the summer, which sounds about right. They don’t want a massive rebuild again.
Surely Stroeykens would be a bit outlay. Figured we'd be a bit more stringent this summer
The question also is, why wasnt there a plan B / C / D etc for similar players that play the same way in the same position at a similar age range with the same upside.
We cant just have one plan A / Idea and then if that doesnt work out go onto something completely different (Ducksch or Kanya).
How do you know we didn’t and we couldn’t sign those players either?
We only know what makes the press - I’m pretty confident none of us knows the full story and I’m super confident it’s not as easy as can be made out on here.
Replying to El Mayor
16:05, Mon 4 May
El MayorBigBarryBoozerBagelHoldsworth_MaraSonnerPalmerliam11Wouldnt suprise me, people have suggested we was after him before. What we need imo in that 10 role
I’d be very surprised if the 10 isn’t Stroeykens from Anderlecht providing he’s fit. Was very close in the summer and very close again in January.
And from what I’ve heard they’re very keen for no more than 6/7 max incoming over the summer, which sounds about right. They don’t want a massive rebuild again.
Surely Stroeykens would be a bit outlay. Figured we'd be a bit more stringent this summer
The question also is, why wasnt there a plan B / C / D etc for similar players that play the same way in the same position at a similar age range with the same upside.
We cant just have one plan A / Idea and then if that doesnt work out go onto something completely different (Ducksch or Kanya).
How do you know we didn’t and we couldn’t sign those players either?
We only know what makes the press - I’m pretty confident none of us knows the full story and I’m super confident it’s not as easy as can be made out on here.
How do I know? We didnt sign those players because we didnt, did we? Were we looking to sign 21 year old attacking midfielder Mario Stroeykens? Thats whats insinuated here as I dont think it made the press. If we were and for whatever reason, medical again insinuated, unable to get it over the line, who did we sign that was a similar profile of player to Mario Stroeykens?
He's a 21 year old attacking midfielder, looking at his profile, young, pace, technique with clear long term upside, injuries aside.
We signed 31 year Marvin Ducksch who is a languid, slow second striker and 26 Year Old Kanya Fujimoto, who although a creative midfielder, plays a more deeper playmaker role and seemingly not suited for the English game.
If the club have identifed a player like Mario Stroeykens they should also have 2,3,4,5 similar Mario Stroeykens types, players with the same profile, style, age range so that should anything go wrong with player 1, we have similar players within the same profile we can look to as alternatives.
Bagel
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Replying to BigBarryBoozer
16:09, Mon 4 May
BigBarryBoozerEl MayorBigBarryBoozerBagelHoldsworth_MaraSonnerPalmerliam11Wouldnt suprise me, people have suggested we was after him before. What we need imo in that 10 role
I’d be very surprised if the 10 isn’t Stroeykens from Anderlecht providing he’s fit. Was very close in the summer and very close again in January.
And from what I’ve heard they’re very keen for no more than 6/7 max incoming over the summer, which sounds about right. They don’t want a massive rebuild again.
Surely Stroeykens would be a bit outlay. Figured we'd be a bit more stringent this summer
The question also is, why wasnt there a plan B / C / D etc for similar players that play the same way in the same position at a similar age range with the same upside.
We cant just have one plan A / Idea and then if that doesnt work out go onto something completely different (Ducksch or Kanya).
How do you know we didn’t and we couldn’t sign those players either?
We only know what makes the press - I’m pretty confident none of us knows the full story and I’m super confident it’s not as easy as can be made out on here.
How do I know? We didnt sign those players because we didnt, did we? Were we looking to sign 21 year old attacking midfielder Mario Stroeykens? Thats whats insinuated here as I dont think it made the press. If we were and for whatever reason, medical again insinuated, unable to get it over the line, who did we sign that was a similar profile of player to Mario Stroeykens?
He's a 21 year old attacking midfielder, looking at his profile, young, pace, technique with clear long term upside, injuries aside.
We signed 31 year Marvin Ducksch who is a languid, slow second striker and 26 Year Old Kanya Fujimoto, who although a creative midfielder, plays a more deeper playmaker role and seemingly not suited for the English game.
If the club have identifed a player like Mario Stroeykens they should also have 2,3,4,5 similar Mario Stroeykens types, players with the same profile, style, age range so that should anything go wrong with player 1, we have similar players within the same profile we can look to as alternatives.
The Mirror reported it, IIRC.
Replying to Bagel
16:13, Mon 4 May
BagelBigBarryBoozerEl MayorBigBarryBoozerBagelHoldsworth_MaraSonnerPalmerliam11Wouldnt suprise me, people have suggested we was after him before. What we need imo in that 10 role
I’d be very surprised if the 10 isn’t Stroeykens from Anderlecht providing he’s fit. Was very close in the summer and very close again in January.
And from what I’ve heard they’re very keen for no more than 6/7 max incoming over the summer, which sounds about right. They don’t want a massive rebuild again.
Surely Stroeykens would be a bit outlay. Figured we'd be a bit more stringent this summer
The question also is, why wasnt there a plan B / C / D etc for similar players that play the same way in the same position at a similar age range with the same upside.
We cant just have one plan A / Idea and then if that doesnt work out go onto something completely different (Ducksch or Kanya).
How do you know we didn’t and we couldn’t sign those players either?
We only know what makes the press - I’m pretty confident none of us knows the full story and I’m super confident it’s not as easy as can be made out on here.
How do I know? We didnt sign those players because we didnt, did we? Were we looking to sign 21 year old attacking midfielder Mario Stroeykens? Thats whats insinuated here as I dont think it made the press. If we were and for whatever reason, medical again insinuated, unable to get it over the line, who did we sign that was a similar profile of player to Mario Stroeykens?
He's a 21 year old attacking midfielder, looking at his profile, young, pace, technique with clear long term upside, injuries aside.
We signed 31 year Marvin Ducksch who is a languid, slow second striker and 26 Year Old Kanya Fujimoto, who although a creative midfielder, plays a more deeper playmaker role and seemingly not suited for the English game.
If the club have identifed a player like Mario Stroeykens they should also have 2,3,4,5 similar Mario Stroeykens types, players with the same profile, style, age range so that should anything go wrong with player 1, we have similar players within the same profile we can look to as alternatives.
The Mirror reported it, IIRC.
Fair enough, I didnt see it.
Point still stands though, where were the list of alternatives? Going from Barriero and Stroeykens to Ducksch and Kanya? They are vastly different types of player.
It's the reason why I have reservations on our recruitment. A lack of joined up thinking and forward planning.
El Mayor
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Replying to BigBarryBoozer
16:22, Mon 4 May
BigBarryBoozerBagelBigBarryBoozerEl MayorBigBarryBoozerBagelHoldsworth_MaraSonnerPalmerliam11Wouldnt suprise me, people have suggested we was after him before. What we need imo in that 10 role
I’d be very surprised if the 10 isn’t Stroeykens from Anderlecht providing he’s fit. Was very close in the summer and very close again in January.
And from what I’ve heard they’re very keen for no more than 6/7 max incoming over the summer, which sounds about right. They don’t want a massive rebuild again.
Surely Stroeykens would be a bit outlay. Figured we'd be a bit more stringent this summer
The question also is, why wasnt there a plan B / C / D etc for similar players that play the same way in the same position at a similar age range with the same upside.
We cant just have one plan A / Idea and then if that doesnt work out go onto something completely different (Ducksch or Kanya).
How do you know we didn’t and we couldn’t sign those players either?
We only know what makes the press - I’m pretty confident none of us knows the full story and I’m super confident it’s not as easy as can be made out on here.
How do I know? We didnt sign those players because we didnt, did we? Were we looking to sign 21 year old attacking midfielder Mario Stroeykens? Thats whats insinuated here as I dont think it made the press. If we were and for whatever reason, medical again insinuated, unable to get it over the line, who did we sign that was a similar profile of player to Mario Stroeykens?
He's a 21 year old attacking midfielder, looking at his profile, young, pace, technique with clear long term upside, injuries aside.
We signed 31 year Marvin Ducksch who is a languid, slow second striker and 26 Year Old Kanya Fujimoto, who although a creative midfielder, plays a more deeper playmaker role and seemingly not suited for the English game.
If the club have identifed a player like Mario Stroeykens they should also have 2,3,4,5 similar Mario Stroeykens types, players with the same profile, style, age range so that should anything go wrong with player 1, we have similar players within the same profile we can look to as alternatives.
The Mirror reported it, IIRC.
Fair enough, I didnt see it.
Point still stands though, where were the list of alternatives? Going from Barriero and Stroeykens to Ducksch and Kanya? They are vastly different types of player.
It's the reason why I have reservations on our recruitment. A lack of joined up thinking and forward planning.
We signed Kanya on July 6 and Ducksch on August 7. Is it possible we signed them before we looked at Stroeykens? Just saying…