09:20, Sun 10 Feb
Rags
If the offending club is genuinely poor, then I agree, you should deduct points. But many offending clubs have owners who are not poor. They are chancers. We are one of those clubs. QPR were similar, when they were fined.
Why should.our fans be made the scapegoats? We’ve been through enough, as it is.

.. YEAH ... and if all of Redknapp's incredibly expensive gambles had paid off then none of the fans would have celebrated promotion on the basis of "nothing to do with us .. it's all thanks to the board .. we have no right to celebrate"

Sorry ... but you HAVE to find a way of disassociating a club's financial recklessness from just allowing the rich ones to pay their way to promotion because they can afford any fine

I'm not saying the rules are perfect but eventually it will allow those clubs who are run sensibly and who invest in their youth setups and spend steadily to compete with the likes of Villa who (under their new owners) could just afford to buy an entire Premiership team.

It's just unlucky that we (Blues) happen to be the first to fall foul of this - but at the same time we won't be the last - and what's important is to ensure that there is clear consistency over the rules and punishments.

PS ... i don't think people realise just how incredibly cash rich Villa's new owners are - i'm sure you'd be the first to complain if they suddenly went out and spent another £300million on players (something that is mere pocket money for them) on the basis that they could easily afford to pay any fines

Of course .... Blues' owners could triple the prices of all match tickets to generate extra income !! .. but they haven't ... they could have sold Adams for £10million ... but they refused ... aren't those things that have benefited the fans ?

Perhaps we should have kept Zola, Redknapp and Cotterill to avoid their expensive pay-offs !!

To be honest ... i think the restrictions have actually benefited Blues in some ways this year. A smaller, tighter, consistent playing squad where we have had to concentrate on good coaching to get the best out of the players we have.

FFP makes (or should make) football teams concentrate on good things about the game instead of just ignoring the kids on their books, and dropping and ditching players who are underperforming

PS .. i also think their should be more of the Premiership TV money given to Championship teams to cut the massive gap between Premier and Championship
Good post rags.
There is no easy way to protect the fans from owners financially ruining their Clubs.
These rules have been agreed. We broke them.
As it stands its possible to spend 250k per week more than you earn, for every week of the financial year.
We spent nearly 750k more per week according to the last accounts.
Some on here call Liverpool "the victims". Reading this thread back it's very ironic
Fat Buddha - 'Rab C Nesbitt. He's a contrary fecker, but invariably right. He has his finger on the motherfecking pulse.'
09:21, Sun 10 Feb
I agree Rab,

And if things were to go pear shaped, how many people would demand the EFL do more to protect the club?
09:23, Sun 10 Feb
It's exactly what a lot have done since the porn dwarves pocketed Yeungs perm takings and roulette winnings 😆
Fat Buddha - 'Rab C Nesbitt. He's a contrary fecker, but invariably right. He has his finger on the motherfecking pulse.'
09:28, Sun 10 Feb
Rab C Nesbitt
It's exactly what a lot have done since the port dwarves pocketed Yeungs perm takings and roulette winnings 😆

/googles hardc0re port
09:41, Sun 10 Feb
in all this mess, as a fan i don’t get what ffp is set to achieve - it makes a sport competition anti-competitive by applying restrictions

in raw terms teams with bigger grounds, merchandising etc will just get bigger

a mid season points deduction will be a disgrace

what’s the point of paying up for season tickets and going to the games willing to win, going through the emotions of games like yesterday just for it to be all made a nonsense and pointless by the EFL
09:43, Sun 10 Feb
its not the EFL's fault. We broke the rules which were known about.
09:44, Sun 10 Feb
But we're being competitive whilst under sanctions.
It shows reckless spending isn't a guarantee of success
Fat Buddha - 'Rab C Nesbitt. He's a contrary fecker, but invariably right. He has his finger on the motherfecking pulse.'
09:44, Sun 10 Feb
Rab C Nesbitt
But we're being competitive whilst under sanctions.
It shows reckless spending isn't a guarantee of success

THIS
09:46, Sun 10 Feb
El Mayor
And if things were to go pear shaped, how many people would demand the EFL do more to protect the club?

This is what I don't understand.

The punishment could could possibly extend to a 2yr embargo, not even being allowed to sign loans. A huge point deduction and not even being able to re sign current players.

For what exactly? In comparison to how others have been treated (precedent is a legal value) we are being hammered.

That is protection? It will put us into League 1. We will lose our management team and god knows how our investment driven owners will react.

Thanks for the protection.....
09:49, Sun 10 Feb
yes we are being competitive this season that’s the joy of life under the Monk
but for that competitiveness under restrictions to be wiped out mid season by the looks makes the tournament and sport a fabrication
at the end of the day, why now? it’s taken this long why not announce at end of the season?

after the emotions of yesterday, couldn’t even let it settle on WM. creaming themselves over the points deductions
09:54, Sun 10 Feb
El Mayor

As I have said many times, I respect your endless work to investigate what is happening at the Blues.

However, you have, this last few months, made an error of judgement. Your interrogating lens, podcasts and publications, online, have analysed Blues to death at a time when the EFL are after us and in a context when the wealthier clubs are rarely if ever punished for misdemeanours.

What you have continued to do may well be used against us. You are not just any old daft fan, like me, you are someone with a reputation, you have published a book, you publish online continuously and you have consistently said the EFL is correct. From Blues point of view that, in my view, is an error.

Most journalism (see the Evening Mail) is tosh, some journalism is investigative, like your own in the past, and has tremendous value. Some journalism is advocacy journalism that makes it's values and assumptions explicit and open to critique. Your own advocacy journalism is valued by me in it's commitment to the Blues.

Recently, though, and perhaps inadvertently your chasing the 'facts' may well aid the EFL. That's the error.
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09:54, Sun 10 Feb
El Mayor
I agree Rab,

And if things were to go pear shaped, how many people would demand the EFL do more to protect the club?
The big problem is the EFL have hitherto not done much to protect clubs playing by the rules. Leicester and Bournemouth should have been demoted, not promoted. We played within the rules for a decade and struggled throughout it whereas other clubs were driving a coach and horses through it. And in turn driving the prices and wages ever upwards. The market is rigged.

There should not be one penny in the game that the game has not generated.
09:55, Sun 10 Feb
greenwayarms
El Mayor
And if things were to go pear shaped, how many people would demand the EFL do more to protect the club?

This is what I don't understand.

The punishment could could possibly extend to a 2yr embargo, not even being allowed to sign loans. A huge point deduction and not even being able to re sign current players.

For what exactly? In comparison to how others have been treated (precedent is a legal value) we are being hammered.

That is protection? It will put us into League 1. We will lose our management team and god knows how our investment driven owners will react.

Thanks for the protection.....

We are precedent mate, first to be done under the new rules - and other clubs have been hit harder with points deductions. Luton and Darlington are two that spring to mind.

What are we being protected from?

Say our owners were allowed to go crazy spending, rack up huge amounts of wages and then walked away. Whose fault would it be then that the club would be plunged into admin with all that entailed?

We are being protected from the absolute worst, IMO. The rules aren't great, but there is a reason they are there.
09:59, Sun 10 Feb
derbyblue
yes we are being competitive this season that’s the joy of life under the Monk
but for that competitiveness under restrictions to be wiped out mid season by the looks makes the tournament and sport a fabrication
at the end of the day, why now? it’s taken this long why not announce at end of the season?

after the emotions of yesterday, couldn’t even let it settle on WM. creaming themselves over the points deductions
Announcing a points deduction after the final game would be farcical.
In fairness it should have been done much sooner though imo
Fat Buddha - 'Rab C Nesbitt. He's a contrary fecker, but invariably right. He has his finger on the motherfecking pulse.'
10:00, Sun 10 Feb
Luton was a complete total and utter stitch-up. They blew the whistle on bungs and instead of investigating the League screwed them over for it.

Compare the treatment to Spurs for the same thing. Or even West Ham for fielding 2 ineligible players for 90% of a season - then allowing them to sign them after the window had closed.

And amongst the other problems is a 12 deduction does indeed leave them with nowhere to go. For a £7m FFP breach, as reported. What about teams that are going to breach it by the tens of millions?