Having seen people ask for an adult conversation about Rooney on here, I've got some honest hypothetical questions for those who are not happy with the current situation.
Imagine for some hypothetical reason Rooney is dismissed, and another manager is appointed.
a) What would your expectations be for this new manager with the squad as it is, with the remaining games we have? I'm not expecting specifics, but I want to know what you'd like to see from a manager to make you feel like things were progressing.
b) What sort of timeframe do you think this new manager would have to meet those expectations? Do you think a new manager would have a honeymoon / grace period as they settled into the role?
I'm honestly not having a dig at anyone here; if anything I'm trying to work out what people want to happen and what would make them happier.
FWIW - while I think Rooney has a bit of time, I can understand just how toxic it's going to get if we don't win the next two home games. Whether that would force a change or not, I'm not sure but it wouldn't be nice. IF that did happen and someone else came in, I'd hope to God they'd be given the time to settle things back down and I'd take a season of consolidation in the middle of the table gratefully.
What would your expectations be for this new manager with the squad as it is, with the remaining games we have? I'm not expecting specifics, but I want to know what you'd like to see from a manager to make you feel like things were progressing.
In the short term I'd expect the new manager to have the team looking like it has a plan, to be coherent and appear well coached
In the medium term I'd expect this to translate into results
My issue currently is the first part isn't happening, which makes me lack confidence in the second part materialising
But FWIW I wouldn't be getting rid any time soon unless it got really really bad (as in going down) because we don't need even more upheaval and we need to give it time, a lot has been invested both financially and reputationally.
What sort of timeframe do you think this new manager would have to meet those expectations?
I think you'd want to see a clear plan and strategy within the first 5-10 games, with some positive results having to come around the 10-15 game mark
Really any manager worth his salt or with the ability to ever get us promoted should be hitting both of those targets anyway, if they're not then they probably aren't ever gonna do what we need them to do
DvB or John 'DvB' Useless for me with a 4-2-3-1 formation and 28% possession. I’d like to finish 17th
think it really depends who is appointed
Frank Lampard, Gerrard or someone of that ilk who is more big name than credentials and they are up against it a lot more than if they appointed someone less well known
GeneralBlue's bitchDvB or John 'DvB' Useless for me with a 4-2-3-1 formation and 28% possession. I’d like to finish 17th
17th would be an improvement on where Rooney currently has us.
He does average 37% possession though, so some good news
Whilst I'm not in favour of a change again, I'd like to see a formation of a plan & strategy (whatever that may be) & the team being developed towards that.
It may or may not be possible to do this overnight & may need some coaching time or new players to build.
Performances to reflect this plan & ideally results.
Having seen people ask for an adult conversation about Rooney on here, I've got some honest hypothetical questions for those who are not happy with the current situation.
Imagine for some hypothetical reason Rooney is dismissed, and another manager is appointed.
a) What would your expectations be for this new manager with the squad as it is, with the remaining games we have? I'm not expecting specifics, but I want to know what you'd like to see from a manager to make you feel like things were progressing.
- anywhere from between 14th to 9th. With a good style of play. We are still miles of a promotion side. But we have enough to be a midtable side.
b) What sort of timeframe do you think this new manager would have to meet those expectations? Do you think a new manager would have a honeymoon / grace period as they settled into the role?
- another five games should be the timeframe before we see how it’s going to pan out.
I hope he gets it right and the morons on here eff off. Anyone celebrating or enjoying a manager not doing well like bob latchford does, ain’t Blues.
I'm honestly not having a dig at anyone here; if anything I'm trying to work out what people want to happen and what would make them happier.
FWIW - while I think Rooney has a bit of time, I can understand just how toxic it's going to get if we don't win the next two home games. Whether that would force a change or not, I'm not sure but it wouldn't be nice. IF that did happen and someone else came in, I'd hope to God they'd be given the time to settle things back down and I'd take a season of consolidation in the middle of the table gratefully.
I would like Rooney’s replacement to be the result of a thorough, comprehensive talent ID campaign and interviews rather than another of Garry’s mates get the job
I’d also like the new manager to use the resources he has to the to best of their ability, until he is able to stamp his authority on it via recruitment rather than coming in and stupidly ask the existing players to do things they aren’t capable of with disastrous results
I’d also prefer the new manager kept his criticisms of individual players private rather than public
Iain_GavinI would like Rooney’s replacement to be the result of a thorough, comprehensive talent ID campaign and interviews rather than another of Garry’s mates get the job
How long would you give them to conduct that (assuming they're not doing that already)? What would you do in the interim?
I do think you need to accept nepotism is a thing in football, and you can't get away from it. It's shit and unfair, but so is life.
I want a manager with a clear plan that they’re going to stick to, I hope to be proven wrong but I don’t get that impression from WR.
No DVB’s either.
Iain_GavinI would like Rooney’s replacement to be the result of a thorough, comprehensive talent ID campaign and interviews rather than another of Garry’s mates get the job
I’d also like the new manager to use the resources he has to the to best of their ability, until he is able to stamp his authority on it via recruitment rather than coming in and stupidly ask the existing players to do things they aren’t capable of with disastrous results
I’d also prefer the new manager kept his criticisms of individual players private rather than public
i honestly thought this was what we were going to get in the summer after they had waved goodbye to JE, given how well Knighthead had done with everything else
thought it would be someone we'd never heard of who they had identified had what it takes to get us playing or maybe even someone that you think bloody hell how have they managed that...what a coup (no doubt Gary Cook thinks this is what he's done with Rooney)
El MayorIain_GavinI would like Rooney’s replacement to be the result of a thorough, comprehensive talent ID campaign and interviews rather than another of Garry’s mates get the job
How long would you give them to conduct that (assuming they're not doing that already)? What would you do in the interim?
I do think you need to accept nepotism is a thing in football, and you can't get away from it. It's shit and unfair, but so is life.
I would imagine the Talent ID bit is an ongoing, ever changing piece of work, and if and when they are in need of a new head coach there is a long list of preferred candidates to select from. That’s what Brighton did (and they are the benchmark all clubs like us should be aiming for from a football operations perspective)
El MayorHaving seen people ask for an adult conversation about Rooney on here, I've got some honest hypothetical questions for those who are not happy with the current situation.
Imagine for some hypothetical reason Rooney is dismissed, and another manager is appointed.
a) What would your expectations be for this new manager with the squad as it is, with the remaining games we have? I'm not expecting specifics, but I want to know what you'd like to see from a manager to make you feel like things were progressing.
b) What sort of timeframe do you think this new manager would have to meet those expectations? Do you think a new manager would have a honeymoon / grace period as they settled into the role?
I'm honestly not having a dig at anyone here; if anything I'm trying to work out what people want to happen and what would make them happier.
FWIW - while I think Rooney has a bit of time, I can understand just how toxic it's going to get if we don't win the next two home games. Whether that would force a change or not, I'm not sure but it wouldn't be nice. IF that did happen and someone else came in, I'd hope to God they'd be given the time to settle things back down and I'd take a season of consolidation in the middle of the table gratefully.
I think that the team and it's equilibrium has been given quite a jolt, and might take time to get back to how it was, with a manager that was playing to it's strengths. I think mid-table would be OK, given the circumstances.
I think that a new manager would be treated with patience on the basis that he would inherit what looked to be a mess, given that a Rooney dismissal would mean that further losses would have taken place which would have forced the situation. Another point is that Rooney seems to be a 'marmite' figure, which has prejudiced his welcome from the start. We're genrally patient with managers, but for various reasons, Rooney's had a terrible welcome.
I don't think that a couple more losses, even over the next two games, would force a change, tbh - I think that the board is made of sterner stuff than that, and so it should be really. Toxicity is perhaps more likely to force changes than poor results in the short term, but I'd hate to see that toxicity among fans.
I have been a harsh critic of the decision to sack John 'DvB' Useless and appoint Rooney but sacking Rooney after such a short tenure would also be a poor decision IMO. After finally stumbling upon a team that was getting results we suddenly sack JE and appoint a manager with an average track record. I think I and many supporters are eager for some success after a decade treading water.
Super HansI want a manager with a clear plan that they’re going to stick to, I hope to be proven wrong but I don’t get that impression from WR.
No DVB’s either.
A plan is only as good as its implementation.
I think Rooney did have a clear plan. 4-3-3 with narrow full backs high up the pitch.
Sticking with something that isn't working is good management only if there is evidence it will work.
From what I have seen Rooney was right to recognise that our players are not currently capable of successfully implementing what he wanted.