Don’t understand these objections. If somebody gets a yellow card they go off for ten minutes. End.
newblueDon’t understand these objections. If somebody gets a yellow card they go off for ten minutes. End.
Because the state of officiating is at a seemingly all time low, and we want to give them more stuff to feck up?
Remember when people were concerned that VAR would ruin the game because it would take away the talking points 🤣
Football thrives on controversy. There’s 24/7 news coverage and column inches to fill and VAR has upped the controversy rate nicely, mostly fuelled by those against it. It’s a massive media success in that regard.
Remember when people were concerned that VAR would ruin the game because it would take away the talking points 🤣
Football thrives on controversy. There’s 24/7 news coverage and column inches to fill and VAR has upped the controversy rate nicely, mostly fuelled by those against it. It’s a massive media success in that regard.
Simon Jordan (he’s a prick I know) said on TalkSport today exactly what I’ve said on here for years now.
Everybody was baying for help for referees after a long series of utterly terrible decisions which ended up with referees receiving death threats and whatnot.
The principle of VAR is good and it’s here to say, but it needs a lot of work.
All of the top managers wanted VAR, players bemoaned the lack of it, the pundits went on ad nauseam that other sports had it and it was about time football got on board, the newspapers lapped it up and the internet fans argued about it. Back then it was deemed necessary because the officiating wasn’t of a sufficient standard. Now the problem is the officiating because of VAR that isn’t of a sufficient standard. If they couldn’t get it right on their own and they still can’t get it right with VAR then VAR isn’t the problem. It’s not even the fault of the PGMOL tbf, they’re making a terrible job of it but they were dealt a losing hand.
It’s the fault of a weak FA and an overbearing media that fuels online hysteria. The FA (and other associations) are trying to cover every conceivable error with legislation, constantly revising rules and laws because multi camera tv angles give the media the opportunity to pore over every single mistake looking for controversy to get people arguing over interpretations and opinions. Football fans are conditioned to react to people arguing black/white over 50,000 shades of grey. Controversy generates £££ so they’ll mine it to the last ounce and the FA only know how to be reactive, not proactive so they can only ever play catch up.
You can pick a side but it’s pretty pointless. VAR is staying, the rules will keep changing and the rest of the circus will keep complaining.
QBBC2All of the top managers wanted VAR, players bemoaned the lack of it, the pundits went on ad nauseam that other sports had it and it was about time football got on board, the newspapers lapped it up and the internet fans argued about it. Back then it was deemed necessary because the officiating wasn’t of a sufficient standard. Now the problem is the officiating because of VAR that isn’t of a sufficient standard. If they couldn’t get it right on their own and they still can’t get it right with VAR then VAR isn’t the problem. It’s not even the fault of the PGMOL tbf, they’re making a terrible job of it but they were dealt a losing hand.
It’s the fault of a weak FA and an overbearing media that fuels online hysteria. The FA (and other associations) are trying to cover every conceivable error with legislation, constantly revising rules and laws because multi camera tv angles give the media the opportunity to pore over every single mistake looking for controversy to get people arguing over interpretations and opinions. Football fans are conditioned to react to people arguing black/white over 50,000 shades of grey. Controversy generates £££ so they’ll mine it to the last ounce and the FA only know how to be reactive, not proactive so they can only ever play catch up.
You can pick a side but it’s pretty pointless. VAR is staying, the rules will keep changing and the rest of the circus will keep complaining.
Great post that and pretty much spot in, imo. Just last night people blaming VAR on here, when it wasn't at fault, it was just correcting a ref for not following an (admittedly silly) football directive. It's become footballs bogeyman for some.
Has anybody thought of trying constructive booing of the officials in order to show our support for them? Once they hear everyone booing them it might give them the confidence to up their game.
Don’t understand these objections. If somebody gets a yellow card they go off for ten minutes. End.
It sounds simple like that but in reality in won’t happen like that.
The rules are already there to punish dissent etc - they just don’t get used. Book them now - end of.
It isn’t needed - it is just another layer of complication - the people running the game have already shown they can ruin some games as a spectacle by making these processes unfathomable at times - this just takes it a stage further and that isn’t a way to improve.
I'd argue it is needed because refs aren't applying the laws of the game.
One thing that concerns me though is a team one man down for 10 mins will just attempt to timewaste, so to cure that you'd need a timekeeper stopping the clock for throw ins etc, then you start disappearing down the games lasting for 2 hours wormhole.
So much easier if refs just did their job properly and start booking and sending people off for persistent cheating etc.
So much easier if refs just did their job properly and start booking and sending people off for persistent cheating etc.
A thing they’re also trying to address is that punishment for accruing bookings is retroactive. If you are cynically fouled and the player is booked for the 5th time this season then the team they’re playing next is the one who gets the advantage not the one who’s player the original offence was against.
Address the root cause - the referees - not the symptom.
Why is it needed - because the laws aren’t enforced. What is the answer - enforce the laws
It’s simple if there is the commitment to do it. Adding more layers that at best require even more interpretation and at worst, another set of laws that are ignored, won’t solve the issue.
Making things that aren’t working as they should even more convoluted to make them better, isn’t the answer.
Tom TheProject BradySo much easier if refs just did their job properly and start booking and sending people off for persistent cheating etc.
A thing they’re also trying to address is that punishment for accruing bookings is retroactive. If you are cynically fouled and the player is booked for the 5th time this season then the team they’re playing next is the one who gets the advantage not the one who’s player the original offence was against.
Yeah, that’s a good point. Making the offending side at a disadvantage there and then with the actual loss of a player should be more of a deterrent than a caution which may not affect the existing match, and in the case of a subsequent ban can usually be covered anyway.
I totally get, and agree with, the idea that rules as they are should be enforced, but the point about providing a REAL disadvantage in real time is a good one.
- enforce the laws
Imagine the grounds around the country if refs started dishing out yellow cards for everything.
Boos (constructive of course) even through they're doing their job right. Cries of 'it's all about you ref' etc etc.
Remember at the start of the season when they said they were going to crack down on players surrounding the refs and during a wolves game a player got a second booking for doing it and all the ref got from all corners was grief.
Yes, apply the laws, but there needs to be clearer and strict guidance on what is happening and they need to stick to it consistently.
Personally, I think a sin-bin is an excellent deterrant.
wookieAddress the root cause - the referees - not the symptom.
Why is it needed - because the laws aren’t enforced. What is the answer - enforce the laws
It’s simple if there is the commitment to do it. Adding more layers that at best require even more interpretation and at worst, another set of laws that are ignored, won’t solve the issue.
Making things that aren’t working as they should even more convoluted to make them better, isn’t the answer.
Totally agree, they never do though (refs).
Start well then after 5 or 6 games they just stop applying the new rules, presumably because of pressure from managers and players. Do like the point about punishing at the point of misdemeanor though rather than another side benefitting weeks later.
Still going to have the issue of potential time wasting by the side down to 10, guess the plan is that players will soon realise that they'll also be binned for that as well.
wookieAddress the root cause - the referees - not the symptom.
Except the refs are not the cause. They interpret the laws as they are trained to do so. Blame PGMOL or whoever it is that decides how refs in England interpret the current FIFA laws.