06:45, Thu 25 Apr
Resign rather than being fired.
06:54, Thu 25 Apr
Rags
My boss's boss (and there is no one higher i can take this to, he's a director) wants me to do something that i KNOW will be bad for the future of the company and i KNOW that, however much i cover my arse, when things DO go wrong, as they inevitably will, i am going to get fired for it.

But if i don't agree to do what he says, he will fire me now.

So i can either

1 ... refuse and i stick to my belief and prediction of it all going tits up and get fired now and go and get a job elsewhere (which will be quite easy and it will probably pay more, but may not be a job i enjoy as much), ......
or
2.. i can do what he says, and keep my job, and oversee the inevitable carnage (but in our industry, within my small enclosed circle, the "disaster" will effect my future job prospects) and get fired later

Should i

1.. get myself fired for refusing to do it
2.. do it and then get fired when it all goes wrong

You'll get the tin tack whatever you do,so at least walk out of there with your morals intact, you will get another job and you can watch Rome burn while you mutter I told you so.

If you choose to do what he says then you will be damaged professionally.

Out of interest, is he trying to take a risk that you know will go wrong, or just ran incompetence?
07:25, Thu 25 Apr
Resign out of principle. eff the payoffs.
07:30, Thu 25 Apr
Take option 1 Rags, if you are going to find that difficult, take option 1 instead (Take option 1)

Don't ruin your reputation
07:33, Thu 25 Apr
Is this about Garry Cook?
Luckily, the amount of heroin I use is harmless. I inject about once a month on a purely recreational basis. Fine. But what about other people less stable, less educated, less middle-class than me? Builders or blacks for example. If you're one of those, my advice to you is leave well alone. Good luck.
07:36, Thu 25 Apr
Option 1 all day long and if you can be arsed with the hassle, take legal action should they decide to give you your marching orders

Alternatively, offer hand jobs in return for some compo.
07:53, Thu 25 Apr
Consult a specialist employment lawyer. Might cost you but their advice will mitigate financial loss and reputational damage.
07:56, Thu 25 Apr
apply for a new job, get new job and not worry about old job?
08:04, Thu 25 Apr
Take option 1....
08:21, Thu 25 Apr
Fit in or feck off Rags, you'll only stink the place out otherwise.
08:32, Thu 25 Apr
Resign rather than being fired.

Definitely NOT resigning ... that would be costly and would involve me walking away from a financial settlement
08:33, Thu 25 Apr
Rags
My boss's boss (and there is no one higher i can take this to, he's a director) wants me to do something that i KNOW will be bad for the future of the company and i KNOW that, however much i cover my arse, when things DO go wrong, as they inevitably will, i am going to get fired for it.

But if i don't agree to do what he says, he will fire me now.

So i can either

1 ... refuse and i stick to my belief and prediction of it all going tits up and get fired now and go and get a job elsewhere (which will be quite easy and it will probably pay more, but may not be a job i enjoy as much), ......
or
2.. i can do what he says, and keep my job, and oversee the inevitable carnage (but in our industry, within my small enclosed circle, the "disaster" will effect my future job prospects) and get fired later

Should i

1.. get myself fired for refusing to do it
2.. do it and then get fired when it all goes wrong

Have you spoken to YOUR Boss about it.

I kind of know how you think Rags; refuse-let them sack you then take them to a tribunal
08:46, Thu 25 Apr
Rags
My boss's boss (and there is no one higher i can take this to, he's a director) wants me to do something that i KNOW will be bad for the future of the company and i KNOW that, however much i cover my arse, when things DO go wrong, as they inevitably will, i am going to get fired for it.

But if i don't agree to do what he says, he will fire me now.

So i can either

1 ... refuse and i stick to my belief and prediction of it all going tits up and get fired now and go and get a job elsewhere (which will be quite easy and it will probably pay more, but may not be a job i enjoy as much), ......
or
2.. i can do what he says, and keep my job, and oversee the inevitable carnage (but in our industry, within my small enclosed circle, the "disaster" will effect my future job prospects) and get fired later

Should i

1.. get myself fired for refusing to do it
2.. do it and then get fired when it all goes wrong

Firstly, do you offer a public service (ie potential life & death) for the service your company provides?

If so, I'd go with option 1 - refuse with a written objection on morals grounds, get the sack & go for a tribunal & get a pay-out later, but retain your moral compass.

If your company is a pure commercial growth company selling or making widgets, then I'd go with option 2, send a written mail asking for pre-emptive plans with the issues you see down the line & ride the boat onto the rocks.

When it goes tits up later, then you have evidence of your objections - if they sack you - and you can still go for a tribunal.

Option 2 allows for a slight window he pulls off a Brian Clough & the plan works.
Birmingham City: coming up with new ways to ruin your weekend since 1875
08:47, Thu 25 Apr
Rags
My boss's boss (and there is no one higher i can take this to, he's a director) wants me to do something that i KNOW will be bad for the future of the company and i KNOW that, however much i cover my arse, when things DO go wrong, as they inevitably will, i am going to get fired for it.

But if i don't agree to do what he says, he will fire me now.

So i can either

1 ... refuse and i stick to my belief and prediction of it all going tits up and get fired now and go and get a job elsewhere (which will be quite easy and it will probably pay more, but may not be a job i enjoy as much), ......
or
2.. i can do what he says, and keep my job, and oversee the inevitable carnage (but in our industry, within my small enclosed circle, the "disaster" will effect my future job prospects) and get fired later

Should i

1.. get myself fired for refusing to do it
2.. do it and then get fired when it all goes wrong

Have you spoken to YOUR Boss about it.

I kind of know how you think Rags; refuse-let them sack you then take them to a tribunal

I'd get nothing from a tribunal getting fired now ... if you think about it, in theory, i can just do what they say and my jobs safe until they sack me down the line.

My boss's boss is actually THE boss and the person i report to daily. I only have a boss between me and him to look after the boring shit ... like booking my holidays etc.
08:48, Thu 25 Apr
Rags
My boss's boss (and there is no one higher i can take this to, he's a director) wants me to do something that i KNOW will be bad for the future of the company and i KNOW that, however much i cover my arse, when things DO go wrong, as they inevitably will, i am going to get fired for it.

But if i don't agree to do what he says, he will fire me now.

So i can either

1 ... refuse and i stick to my belief and prediction of it all going tits up and get fired now and go and get a job elsewhere (which will be quite easy and it will probably pay more, but may not be a job i enjoy as much), ......
or
2.. i can do what he says, and keep my job, and oversee the inevitable carnage (but in our industry, within my small enclosed circle, the "disaster" will effect my future job prospects) and get fired later

Should i

1.. get myself fired for refusing to do it
2.. do it and then get fired when it all goes wrong

Firstly, do you offer a public service (ie potential life & death) for the service your company provides?

If so, I'd go with option 1 - refuse with a written objection on morals grounds, get the sack & go for a tribunal & get a pay-out later, but retain your moral compass.

If your company is a pure commercial growth company selling or making widgets, then I'd go with option 2, send a written mail asking for pre-emptive plans with the issues you see down the line & ride the boat onto the rocks.

When it goes tits up later, then you have evidence of your objections - if they sack you - and you can still go for a tribunal.

Option 2 allows for a slight window he pulls off a Brian Clough & the plan works.

"Firstly, do you offer a public service (ie potential life & death) for the service your company provides? " Gosh no.