It just shows that there has to be a joined up set of rules that apply to both the EPL and EFL.
But the EPL won't want that I suspect.
Nor the FA, whose fault this all is in the first place.
bluearmyfactionHackneyBlueI have some sympathy with the PL on this one. They forced teams to close their accounts in the window between the end of one season and the start of another, to avoid this very issue. The problem is the arbitration panel decided that they did not need to take that into account - they just looked at the literal date of relegation to say that therefore Leicester were Football League members so could not be penalized. Even though a) they had broken Premier League rules and b) are a Premier League club.incompetence from the premier league again, rulebook is full of holes
Frankly the decision is a legal nonsense and it's astounding that three eminent KCs could come up with such bullshit. They are meant to take this sort of thing into account when considering any ambiguities for the purposes of interpreting what the agreement actually is.
interesting, i assume the 6th June AGM confirming league membership was relevant too - [www.premierleague.com]
Fair play to them.
PSR is the worst thing ever to happen to football. The whole lot, along with salary caps and God knows what else, should be scrapped. These regulations are killing competition and as such the game itself.
Football clubs should be able to spend what they like, when they like. They are businesses at the end of the day.
Deregulate the effing lot.
I can sort of see that argument.
But if you go down that route, you'd also have to get rid of the protections that clubs get and treat them like any other private business (which is what they are after all). Any club in financial difficulty gets no sympathy or special treatment, and chucked out of the league ASAP if they get into difficulty.
And the football creditors thing absolutely has to go as well!
bluearmyfactionHackneyBlueI have some sympathy with the PL on this one. They forced teams to close their accounts in the window between the end of one season and the start of another, to avoid this very issue. The problem is the arbitration panel decided that they did not need to take that into account - they just looked at the literal date of relegation to say that therefore Leicester were Football League members so could not be penalized. Even though a) they had broken Premier League rules and b) are a Premier League club.incompetence from the premier league again, rulebook is full of holes
Frankly the decision is a legal nonsense and it's astounding that three eminent KCs could come up with such bullshit. They are meant to take this sort of thing into account when considering any ambiguities for the purposes of interpreting what the agreement actually is.
100% agreed and the worse part is, they used the same legal argument with the EFL saying they weren't in the EFL so they couldn't face disciplinary proceedings from them and won. They've now said they wasnt a Premier league club when the accounts ended, so which one is it, as they can't win both arguments.
Yes, they've clearly found a loophole but given the sh*t they got away with years ago with administration and wiping there debts away with no punishment and now this, I actually despise them and would love nothing better than them to go down this season.
HackneyBlueincompetence from the premier league again, rulebook is full of holes
if i was leeds or similar i would be pissed
Should we be careful in our criticism here? Might we want to exploit such holes in the coming years...?
That’s fine by me, these regulations aren’t all that protective anyway. Look at Bolton and Derby, and lower down the scale at Oldham, Macclesfield etc.
I mean before these regulations how many clubs in this country went bust as a proportion of the amount of clubs there are compared to businesses in any other industry? Possible exception may be the early to mid 00s when quite a few went into administration owing to ITV Digital.
Sishi RunakFair play to them.
PSR is the worst thing ever to happen to football. The whole lot, along with salary caps and God knows what else, should be scrapped. These regulations are killing competition and as such the game itself.
Football clubs should be able to spend what they like, when they like. They are businesses at the end of the day.
Deregulate the effing lot.
It'd be total carnage. All but the very top (Arsenal, Liverpool etc) would regularly go out of business.
Bluesince62 F.E.A.Sishi RunakFair play to them.
PSR is the worst thing ever to happen to football. The whole lot, along with salary caps and God knows what else, should be scrapped. These regulations are killing competition and as such the game itself.
Football clubs should be able to spend what they like, when they like. They are businesses at the end of the day.
Deregulate the effing lot.
It'd be total carnage. All but the very top (Arsenal, Liverpool etc) would regularly go out of business.
I don't think that's true tbh, clubs lose money as it is and don't go out of business any more than they used to before these rules
I am happy for clubs to be able to spend what they want, I guess the modern day issue is with petro states owning clubs, cause they could just blow everything out of the water and cause a complete mess of the market, there is no perfect solution, though the current system is not effective.
A_n_EHackneyBlueincompetence from the premier league again, rulebook is full of holes
it's 100% the fault of the EPL. They set out their stall when they didnt let the football league do v***a and the dingles for their financial irregularities from the championship because they were in the premier league.
This. Plus this decision basically confirms that you can break the rules as much as you want while in the Championship and still avoid punishment, as long as you get promoted.
They'll go down, I'm pretty confident. I struggle to see any of the newly promoted sides staying up, which is a worry.
It’s happened way more since the Premier League. One reason why Accy Stanley were so notable was because league clubs dying was so rare. In the PL era we’ve lost Newport, Maidstobe, Chester, Halifax, Wimbledon, Scarborough, Boston Utd, Bury and Macclesfield just OTTOMH. Most had dropped into non league by the time they died but it was the inequality bakes in by big boys trading while insolvent which started it off.
bluearmyfactionIt’s happened way more since the Premier League. One reason why Accy Stanley were so notable was because league clubs dying was so rare. In the PL era we’ve lost Newport, Maidstobe, Chester, Halifax, Wimbledon, Scarborough, Boston Utd, Bury and Macclesfield just OTTOMH. Most had dropped into non league by the time they died but it was the inequality bakes in by big boys trading while insolvent which started it off.
Think Newport and Maidstone went bust pre-Premier League didn’t they?
I’d actually argue that the commercialisation of the game that started from the late 80s/early 90s (the Premier League being a product as much as an instigator of said commercialisation) actually saved a lot of clubs. English football in the 80s had plenty of clubs, including ourselves and other similar sized clubs, on their arses. Down if not quite yet out.
bluer than bluesHackneyBlueincompetence from the premier league again, rulebook is full of holes
if i was leeds or similar i would be pissed
Should we be careful in our criticism here? Might we want to exploit such holes in the coming years...?
That was my thought as well until someone said that Leicester highlighting this will mean that they(Prem/EFL) will now look to close that loophole meaning we won't be able to take advantage of it as well.