I did a bit of digging and this decision is actually incorrect - on a legal basis. The Court of Appeal in 2005 said the handing over of the PL share did not matter. One had to look at the reality of the situation. This was the case when Man City sacked Joe Royle after relegation and Royle claimed he was entitled to a bonus on the basis that, when he was sacked, Man City were technically still in the Premier League. Court of Appeal threw that argument out.
So, this decision is, legally, wrong.
Actually admire the cheek of Joe Royle appealing on that basis mind.
It like, how much more Scouse could it be? And the answer is none. None more Scouse.
Le ModBluesince62 F.E.A.Sishi RunakFair play to them.
PSR is the worst thing ever to happen to football. The whole lot, along with salary caps and God knows what else, should be scrapped. These regulations are killing competition and as such the game itself.
Football clubs should be able to spend what they like, when they like. They are businesses at the end of the day.
Deregulate the effing lot.
It'd be total carnage. All but the very top (Arsenal, Liverpool etc) would regularly go out of business.
I don't think that's true tbh, clubs lose money as it is and don't go out of business any more than they used to before these rules
I am happy for clubs to be able to spend what they want, I guess the modern day issue is with petro states owning clubs, cause they could just blow everything out of the water and cause a complete mess of the market, there is no perfect solution, though the current system is not effective.
Suppose it depends how much you want it de-regulated? I mean some of the owners that have come in and clubs have only been saved from going bust due to the profligacy of dodgy owners by the P&S rules. We were getting close and vile were closer still. If Nate meant full de-regulation as in no owners test (which I know is shit btw) then yeah, I do think carnage.
Even if not, think the game would be worse for the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea and Man City just spending whatever they wanted, it would quickly become even more of a closed shop at the top - unless you got lucky yourselves with mega rich owners. Just my take on it. The P&S rules as they are aren't great mind.
A_n_EThisHackneyBlueincompetence from the premier league again, rulebook is full of holes
it's 100% the fault of the EPL. They set out their stall when they didnt let the football league do v***a and the dingles for their financial irregularities from the championship because they were in the premier league.
Sishi RunakbluearmyfactionIt’s happened way more since the Premier League. One reason why Accy Stanley were so notable was because league clubs dying was so rare. In the PL era we’ve lost Newport, Maidstobe, Chester, Halifax, Wimbledon, Scarborough, Boston Utd, Bury and Macclesfield just OTTOMH. Most had dropped into non league by the time they died but it was the inequality bakes in by big boys trading while insolvent which started it off.
Think Newport and Maidstone went bust pre-Premier League didn’t they?
I’d actually argue that the commercialisation of the game that started from the late 80s/early 90s (the Premier League being a product as much as an instigator of said commercialisation) actually saved a lot of clubs. English football in the 80s had plenty of clubs, including ourselves and other similar sized clubs, on their arses. Down if not quite yet out.
Aldershot 92 also. He's basically making up history like normal.
Maidstone went under as the 1992–93 season started. So after the PL had been put in motion. Newport was indeed 1989, dodgy owners apparently.
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Looks like the PL might get them for last season instead.
Be a bit unfortunate if they lost even more points as a result.
bluearmyfactionMaidstone went under as the 1992–93 season started. So after the PL had been put in motion. Newport was indeed 1989, dodgy owners apparently.
I don't think you can blame the Premier League for that. They didn't lose all their money in a day.
There were several clubs that went bust in the 1980s who were rescued out of bankruptcy.
Middlesbrough
W*lv*s - in 1982
W*lv*s 1982 - in 1986
The rules weren't as formal then.
Under current rules W*lv*s would have been fully kicked out of the league in 1982 for not paying football creditors.
There were smaller clubs who were effectively bust when they dropped out of the league Barrow, Bradford PA Southport, Workington Reds. Clubs were generally only kicked out the league for finishing in the bottom two with terrible finances. After 1978 every club was re-elected until automatic relegation came in.
The controversy with Accrington was because Bob Lord (chairman of Burnley) stepped in apparently to help rescue them, but decided to close the club instead. There was suspicion that he put the interests of Burnley above those of Accrington.
And those clubs weren't losing as much then as clubs lose now, the P&S/FFP rules haven't stopped clubs from losing money and they are still in trouble of going bust if the owner runs out of cash or pulls the plug.
Le ModAnd those clubs weren't losing as much then as clubs lose now, the P&S/FFP rules haven't stopped clubs from losing money and they are still in trouble of going bust if the owner runs out of cash or pulls the plug.
Yeah, fair point. I'm wrong.
CharcyMaidstone’s immediate problem was not being able to use their ground in the League, so they had to play all their home games in Dartford. The issue then was not being able to pick back up afterwards.bluearmyfactionMaidstone went under as the 1992–93 season started. So after the PL had been put in motion. Newport was indeed 1989, dodgy owners apparently.
I don't think you can blame the Premier League for that. They didn't lose all their money in a day.
There was a weird thing when the board issued their own fanzine rather than a programme to counter the supporters’ zine. It ran to 2 issues.
So Leicester lost a load of money in the 3 years to end of last June but can't be fined coz by then they were then in the EFL. Seems fishy.
Deregulation would be terrible for a league-based sport. FFP isn’t great but a free-for-all would be far worse.