If I was actually accountable for making the decision there is no way I would be sacking him tonight, its not credible after 9? games
Hes probably got another 10 games of similar form before Id pull the trigger
The toxicity in the ground and whether players down tools might sway me before then tbf
I thought it was a terrible appointment from the start but I'd hesitate to sack him after 9 games. Perhaps naively, I don't think we'd get relegated this season so I think we can afford to give him more time because 9 games seems, as you say, insane.
But I'd worry about giving him January transfers. He's the manager not head coach so will have a big say on who comes in. If we got rid towards the end of the season that would be another window wasted. We could sign players who fit our new style and replace Rooney with a similar type but I don't yet know what Rooney's/the club's style is.
By the 6th of Jan, he'll have had another 6 games. If there is no improvement/sense of a plan by then, I think we have to consider it.
Which I understand. But is our style of play any different or better now than it was then. Statistically we have had less possession under Rooney, more goals conceded, less chances created. If anything id say it’s just as negative and even worse.
For the record, I’m fine with binning Eustace to bring in someone to play good football and someone who was an obvious upgrade, but Rooney is a downgrade and isn’t the manager to provide this good football.
He looked shell shocked in his interview afterwards. I don’t think he has a clue what he’s doing and performances show it.
Very dangerous game if the owners keep him in place
TrickyBlueBluenose27I respect your faith in Rooney. 9 games is probably too short, but have we seen anything in those 9 games to suggest it will change and get better, aside from a first half against Ipswich.
I get that the owners have backed him, but if they can sack JE for 18 pts in 11 games, Rooney should be packing his bags now for 5 pts in 9 games.
They didn’t sack Eustsce for his record. They didn’t like his style of play.
That's the reason they gave. I'm not convinced. They just wanted a name.
What? You'd let us have another 10 games of serving up that sh1te while QPR, Rotherham and Sheffield Wednesday wave to us on their way past
I don't think he can turn it around, we can't afford to sack him Cole and O'Shea so appoint a DOF to actually manage, make Wayne's position untenable so he walks.
I still think he should stay. I think he has made a rod for his own back with some of the decisions he has made and I think GC set him up with the “no fear football” label…but I think he should be given time.
You might as well stop replying to me. Go and try and bully someone else.
They didn’t sack Eustsce for his record. They didn’t like his style of play.
Yes ... but they ignored the fact that JE was over achieving with what he had at his disposal. Everyone can see that now.
... and JE has been proven right - these aren't the players (as everyone can see) you want if you want to play progressive, playing through the thirds, football so in the meantime we should have carried on with a good team spirit and transitional football.
No-one can say that JE isn't a fan of progressive football ... his Kidderminster side were known as "the non-League Barcelona" - but he's a very very decent manager and not a fool - you adapt your approach based on the tools you have at your disposal
FalstaffFine, but then play our current players to their strengths, no point playing no fear football if the lads can't do it. Priority is to remain in the Championship this season and rebuild during the summer with many players coming to the the end of their contracts.1. Because I believe he will eventually turn us into a great footballing side. I like watching the football that he wants us to play.
2. He has the name to attract quality players to the club.
3. He is a thoughtful man with a real footballing brain who brings a credibility to the club.
4. He is who the owners want and they will invest in him.
5. He is here for the long term. He won’t be sacked. May as well back him.
Thing is, can we avoid the drop? Back to basics for me, play players to their own personal strengths. How sad I feel that I'm more desperate for a draw these days rather than another defeat.
All I have left as an excuse is it’s a mere 10 games and most of these players won’t be here next summer.
But then I ask myself can we risk being dragged into a dogfight with this group and this manager, look how meek and passive they are now, there’s no fight for a relegation battle in this lot with a manager lacking any real nouse.
Also we’re looking at a manager who’s never really had money or a budget to sign his own players, that’s an unknown, Derby by circumstance he was thrown a squad of frees, vets and kids together as a make-do.
I don’t doubt recruitment goes way above his head but I just don’t see him getting anything out of one single player since he’s been here, whether that’s man management or coaching 🤷♂️
I’m just numb to it, I am expecting every game us to lose, that had left a little bit at the start of the season. the hysteria of the summer takeover and good signings in my eyes has evaporated, whilst talks of wheels park and Man City like futures is nice and something to behold, in the hear and now real world the fanbase is divided and becoming as toxic as it is or was under any previous manager we’ve had minus maybe Zola!
I’m 39yo and I’ve seen this movie before, it’s sad, deflating, likely unfortunately, it’s a real gut punch.
They want the mentality and culture to change but this I’m sorry feels very much like a ‘oh blues moment’ we’ve all witnessed and lived through before.
They are new to us, we’ve lived through the bad days and them scars are very raw and run deep for us, it isn’t just a turn the page mentality everyone can adopt!
The pure fact is they’ve tried to run before they can walk, it’s not about which manager for me, it’s that they’ve been over eager and baring the fruits of what seems a risky decision.
Right now I don’t know the answer and that’s probably the biggest issue, I cannot see them pulling the plug and that just means more losses, more misery and the team falling deeper into the mire.
9 games, 6 defeats, 2 draws, 1 win. What Manager has ever turned that around in recent history?
The odds are he’s already done, the dressing room is lost by now.
Admit you were wrong, swallow your pride and get a competent manager in.
Bluenose27Which I understand. But is our style of play any different or better now than it was then. Statistically we have had less possession under Rooney, more goals conceded, less chances created. If anything id say it’s just as negative and even worse.
For the record, I’m fine with binning Eustace to bring in someone to play good football and someone who was an obvious upgrade, but Rooney is a downgrade and isn’t the manager to provide this good football.
Completely agree with your second paragraph. I didn’t want Rooney at all but was happy to see Eustace go if it meant upgrading him.
I don’t think the current style of play is necessarily more negative under Rooney. He wants us to play an aggressive high pressing style, which you can see glimpses of. Our biggest downfall imo is the inability to keep and control the ball for periods at a time. The players look very confused and disjointed which is resulting in nothing up top and wide open at the back.
I think we went back to basics tonight. No passing around at the back and no high press. That didn't work either