Nikola Zigic- FEAHaha no not now, Christ I'm not mental. If we'd stayed up we could have taken him.
Not now they've been taken over. They'll be going for Autos next year.
Ron Saundersmjd2505Rab C Nesbittroger hyndExactly. We’re going to be facing teams who sit with 10 behind the ball most weeks. Rowett struggles to break such teams down. Rotherham a fantastic example.Ron SaundersNaturally most of us want TM to return, but assuming this isnt going to happen name someone you think would be a better bet than Rowett?
Any one of a hundred managers that play attractive,attacking football
Yet people want him to get the job. Ludicrous
I think it comes down to what do you think our biggest issue that we have to address going into next season is.
Is it that we're not good enough on the ball, and should therefore employ someone who can set up technical footballers to play an attacking style and blow lesser teams away?
Or is it that we've not got enough strong leaders and experience within the team nor a good culture to perform consistently, and should therefore employ someone who will address these issues and get the best out of what will be a very strong squad for League One level?
I'm not sure of the answer myself. I know it's possible that we can employ someone who can do both. But as I don't know what sort of managers we'll be attracting and what credentials any names have, we have to trust in Wagner, Cook and Gardner to get this one right. And given the Rooney appointment, people don't. I'm not sure I do either.
Mowbray I think would do both. It's a real shame from a footballing perspective that it's looking unlikely, and my best wishes go out to the man who is a lovely, lovely bloke.
I don't think Rowett is the best option. But I think he would be a solid, safe, stable option who wouldn't see us embarrassed in League One, and I think he'd rebuild the squad with a certain type of player that had we done this season, we probably would not have gone down even with all the upheaval. I don't think it's the way forward long term and I don't think it's the owner's dream. But I don't think it's the worst option that some seem to think either.
The alternative is we gamble on someone who doesn't know the squad and doesn't know it's weaknesses, we sign a team designed to attack, potentially a lot of young players in there. This could be a Will Still type, although that's purely off reputation, I've no idea how he plays and I'm sure that rumour is rubbish. But that kind of manager is what I have in mind for this scenario. Could work and we storm the league - could also end in us getting embarrassed in a competitive league with players who aren't up for the fight every week.
And that is my case for Rowett. I don't think that would happen under his leadership. Alright we might draw a few games we should probably win, maybe we finish in the playoffs. But as a manager who's going to need to oversee a big rebuild and a big culture change, I would want experience since we lack it in our technical director. And if we don't get promoted first season, we can make a change in the close season in a much, much more stable position.
I know the cases against Rowett, you don't need to tell me, he's not my ideal choice. But until someone comes along that we agree is a better option, he's my choice. Ultimately it's not down to us though, and I hope whoever it is, the leadership team get it right
The only remit is promotion. We will have the biggest budget, the biggest expectation and likely to be the team everyone wants to turn over.
We need a team full of character and steel coupled with quality, i think that is something Rowett could produce.
Had we not gone down then i think we could have took a gamble on someone like Will Still but now do not think that's a viable option.
Come next season we will have a ground pretty much redeveloped beyond recognition, hopefully a winning team on the pitch playing with the commitment we demand yet haven't always seen this season and yet the moaning minnies on here still aint happy.
I would like Mowbray back, or if not someone new.
I wasn't at all impressed by our approach to the Rotherham and Huddersfield games. They were both very winnable,
To me it made sense to get outside the bottom 3 as soon as possible. If you go in to the last day reliant on other results going your way there's a problem.
We could have controlled our own destiny and effectively chose not to.
With GR we'd choose too many low risk options which in the end turn out to be high risk overall. He's a lower division McLeish in some ways.
We will have a very good budget for the division and we should be looking to be (one of) the strongest team9s). This gives us the opportunity to play more attacking football.
It would be very disappointing if we adopted the McLeish 2008-09 promotion strategy of crushing the life out of games and winning 1-0.
They've been taken over by a bog standard bloke with limited money.
The difference in ambition between Patel and Knighthead is enormous.
They should get promotion next year because it's an awful division, but they aren't going to be spending much money, he's said so himself.
Nikola Zigic- FEAmjd2505Nikola Zigic- FEAI like the idea of Will Still but not convinced that anyone completely new to English football is a wise decision this summer.
Not sure I agree, seen lots of managers come in from abroad and do well recently - namely Cifuentes and Rohl have done absolutely exceptional jobs with QPR and Wednesday, and we all thought they were doomed. We were wrong.
I'd agree in the Championship, this is such a fiddly little shitty league I can see some nice expansive guy from the Spanish 1st division being completely shell shocked by it all.
I think that is pretty outdated on it.
If the head coach is good enough, it will be fine - Reading are a complete basket case but Selles did a phenomenal job of keeping them up, despite his experience of English football being a Rooneyesque spell at Southampton.
If the head coach is good enough and backed in the transfer market, then experience of lower league English football won't matter - just make sure we have some of it on the coaching staff to support them.
Nikola Zigic- FEAThey've been taken over by a bog standard bloke with limited money.
The difference in ambition between Patel and Knighthead is enormous.
They should get promotion next year because it's an awful division, but they aren't going to be spending much money, he's said so himself.
Hmm maybe.
Mate, look at the state of media today, and imagine what it will look like if in 2 weeks we've heard nothing.
I think they have to say something soon, however unpalatable that may be.
number8Mate, look at the state of media today, and imagine what it will look like if in 2 weeks we've heard nothing.
I think they have to say something soon, however unpalatable that may be.
I think we will hear something before the weekend.
Nikola Zigic- FEAHaha no not now, Christ I'm not mental. If we'd stayed up we could have taken him.
I'm seeing a lot of people saying we need clarity on TM this week, I really don't think we do.
Realistically what's even going to happen for two weeks? Very little. Everyone is on holiday.
I think we need clarity on TM by the end of the month and a new manager in for the first day of pre season if the very worst happens and he's not coming back.
Really hope he is though.
I agree, but already out of contract players will be talking to new clubs and getting feelers for interest already, and probably have started before now.
We don't "need" a manager in to do this as Gardner is in place, but with clarity we become a more attractive proposition. And the new boss (or Mowbray, if he does come back) will have players in mind and profiles of players in mind that they want to bring in. Let's get it sorted ASAP.
End of the month is the absolute latest for me.
Nikola Zigic- FEANot sure about that. I’m not convinced their owner is going to invest loads and the league will still have 2 of Leeds/Soouthampton/Norwich/Boro/Cov plus 3 relegated sidesThey've been taken over by a bog standard bloke with limited money.
The difference in ambition between Patel and Knighthead is enormous.
They should get promotion next year because it's an awful division, but they aren't going to be spending much money, he's said so himself.
Rab C NesbittNikola Zigic- FEANot sure about that. I’m not convinced their owner is going to invest loads and the league will still have 2 of Leeds/Soouthampton/Norwich/Boro/Cov plus 3 relegated sidesThey've been taken over by a bog standard bloke with limited money.
The difference in ambition between Patel and Knighthead is enormous.
They should get promotion next year because it's an awful division, but they aren't going to be spending much money, he's said so himself.
It'll certainly be a weaker championship than this season.
I can't see Sheffield United bouncing back, Burnley maybe but very much depends on whether they keep Kompany and how they handle it after being spanked week in week out. Luton or Forest would be strong. But neither as strong as Leicester.
That being said, I also wouldn't be too bullish about Albion's chances next season if they fail to get promotion this year
number8Mate, look at the state of media today, and imagine what it will look like if in 2 weeks we've heard nothing.
I think they have to say something soon, however unpalatable that may be.
And they (I'm sure) will know the situation by now. They couldn't release any news before the end of the season, because that would have been wrong, even if they knew at that point. I think that an announcement will happen very soon.
Tamnumber8Mate, look at the state of media today, and imagine what it will look like if in 2 weeks we've heard nothing.
I think they have to say something soon, however unpalatable that may be.
And they (I'm sure) will know the situation by now. They couldn't release any news before the end of the season, because the would have been wrong, even if they knew at that point. I think that an announcement will happen very soon.
This is correct I fink
Rab C NesbittCardiff, Preston, Rovrum, Hudds, Norwich.
All wins. Case closed your honour
You've gone mad.
IanTGone?Rab C NesbittCardiff, Preston, Rovrum, Hudds, Norwich.
All wins. Case closed your honour
You've gone mad.
Ron SaundersNaturally most of us want TM to return, but assuming this isnt going to happen name someone you think would be a better bet than Rowett?
Thankfully, it's not up to fans to identify and name somebody to come in and takeover.
I doubt many Portsmouth fans would have identified John Mousinho, or Ipswich fans with Kieran McKenna, Lincoln with Michael Skubala etc. That doesn't mean you shouldn't strive for better and to get what you're claiming to be searching for.
That comes down to the team involved in recruiting the manager. They're the ones who will hear the presentations and the convictions of the candidates and it's them who should be putting the hard yards in to speak to people to try and unearth the next diamond, or find out which established names are available and what they would bring to the table. So far they have a 50% strike rate.